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Lost 90% of Wiki article progress after computer updated? Most recent version not in draft history, can someone please help?[edit]

Draft: ILENE I have been on assignment working on the page Draft: ILENE for the past 3 days, which included a large amount of sourced information from numerous sources. My computer installed an overnight update, but upon restarting, 90% of information was lost, reverting the article back to an early version that is not acceptable and will not be used. Is there any possible way to recover all of the lost information, or the last version of this article which should be dated either June 23, or June 24, 2022? Please help. At my wits end. Thank you. 247ice (talk) 17:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@247ice: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you didn't click on the Publish changes button to save the draft, there is unfortunately no way to recover the text. Sometimes the browser may save it locally, but this doesn't seem to be the case. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:15, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for clarifying. It does unfortunately appear to be lost. I will redraft, thanks again. 247ice (talk) 17:17, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Publish changes means save. It's called "Publish" because it can be seen by others, although not found by searches. David notMD (talk) 19:26, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@247ice Please, who has made this assignment that you are on? (talk) 06:18, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@247ice Did you take that picture of Ilene yourself, with your own camera? Please let us know. Thanks. (talk) 05:31, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Jacobi: why disambiguated?[edit]

The mathematician is pretty obviously the primary topic. (talk) 09:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Both articles are detailed and well referenced and about the same length, so the primary topic is not at all obvious to me, but you are welcome to make your case on the appropriate talk page. Shantavira|feed me 10:11, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I, for one, was not familiar with the mathematician (before reading this thread) but was familiar with the horror/fantasy writer, so what to you is obvious isn't obvious to me. It seems to me that someone searching for "Carl Jacobi" is about equally likely to want either of the articles. Deor (talk) 13:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The mathematician gets 34 times as many page views [1] so he does look primary. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:29, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have continued the discussion here: . In my opinion I also think the mathematician should be the primary topic, since WP:PRIMARYTOPIC states the primary topic should have "long-term significance" and it's pretty clear from the list of things named after him that Carl Jacobi the mathematician has more long-term significance. -- Charlesreid1 (talk) 00:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Divided columns... {{div col}}[edit]

Is there any MOS guidance on when and when not to make a column into two or more divided columns? I often times do this for aesthetic reasons if the lists (especially "Notable people" lists in various towns are cities) are over 20 entries in depth. Otherwise, if the list/column is pretty short, I'll leave it be. I just wanted to see though if there is some MOS "standard" that one might operate by here for purposes of both readability and consistency. Thanks wiki-world! Th78blue (talk) 19:41, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Th78blue Remember that some readers are reading on a narrow cell phone, so if the entries are wide, the result might not look good if you force two columns. I don't know how to use markup to say "use 2 columns if the screen is wide enough" but I think there's a way. (talk) 06:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I am pretty sure that it doesn't render unless the screen allows for it. So in that regard it is somewhat less material. That said, I still was just curious if there was any guideline that I am unaware of. Also, I could be wrong about that rendering notion, but I am pretty sure that is how it works based on past experience with this exact item. Th78blue (talk) 13:46, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
{{div col}} indeed only breaks into multiple columns if the screen allows for it. It uses a fixed column-width (however-many such widths fit on the screen) rather than a fixed number of columns. DMacks (talk) 06:24, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


I would like to update history information to add the following to - SCAN began enrollment in Alameda County on January 1, 2022. 2601:644:8E7F:9F0:2C07:1159:2A7A:510D (talk) 00:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

hi ip user! feel free to edit the page, but please back it up with a reliable source first - check that page to see how you can find one and what kinds of sources count as reliable. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:34, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Melecie and IP user... that article has puffery such as "seniors who represented the most active and prominent organizations for older adults in the city" and some unreferenced claims. I'm not up for trimming the unreferenced parts at the moment though. (talk) 04:18, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Scary user page messages[edit]


I created a user name and, I thought, page, on Wikipedia in approximately 2016; it was dormant for a while, but I've since done enough editing to qualify to create an entry. I'm creating my draft in my sandbox, which is where I thought it was supposed to go while still in drafting phase, but I've encountered notices that claim Wikipedia does not have a user page with my name. When I signed on, I opted not to fill in any details till I knew my way around. I also thought I began my wiki article on a subpage in my sandbox, using the visual editor. How could I get to a sandbox without having a user page, much less a subpage? I'm now getting a rather glaring notice in a pink box that informs me "Please do not draft new articles here — to do that, create a userspace draft." Underneath it is the earlier notice that says Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact title. But the top of my page says "User:TexasEditor1." That's me!

I'm trying very hard to be respectful and learn — and follow — the rules. I've already put so much work into verifying and adding links and references and making sure my writing is factual and neutral. What do I need to do to make sure I'm creating it where and how I'm supposed to be? I'm afraid I'll lose what I have if I create a user page and it tries to tell me that user already exists. TexasEditor1 (talk) 03:17, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TexasEditor1: I'm kinda confused by what you're describing. It sounds like it'd be easiest to see if you could post up screenshots of what you're seeing, say, in imgur and give us the links.
In the meantime, though, the best way to make sure you don't lose progress is to switch to "source editor" (it's a pencil icon in the top right corner, to the left of "Publish" if you're using visual editor). Once you've got the source code stuff, just select everything, copy it, and paste it in a notepad on your computer. Save that notepad file so that even if you lose internet connection or something else happens, it'll still be saved on your computer.Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 03:34, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
From your Contributions, looks as if your draft is now at Draft:Mark Addison. David notMD (talk) 10:47, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, "Publish changes" means save. You also have an empty Sandbox at User:TexasEditor1/sandbox/Mark Addison which you can ignore or delete, as you have successfully moved your content to the draft. David notMD (talk) 10:59, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks David! (and Jasonkwe
I think I wanted to work on it in the sandbox; that's where it goes when it's still in progress, right? But it seemed as if the only way to save it was to turn it into a draft. I did save copies in source code and visual editor (pasted into Word). Now I have to figure out the rest of my external refs; I have a few in paywalled newspaper archives and haven't qualified to access the Wikipedia library. My big concern is one quote I'm using from a Plain Dealer review. TexasEditor1 (talk) 23:10, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@TexasEditor1 I think you can worry a little bit less than you are now. Sandbox generally keeps things safe from altering or breaking anything important. And even if you do, you can always revert changes. Submitting a draft article for review is good but not "technically" necessary. You could just make a new article like this and publish it to the world like this. I didn't do that but wikipedia can be altered by anyone and everyone (hence the tools the mods use to prevent vandalism).

I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination since Wikipedia has lots of guidelines and rules and manual of style recommendations. But those key principles do include WP:BOLD and WP:NOTPERFECT. Wikipedia is a self-correcting machine and problems get pointed out and worked on by others. Not saying it's nice or polite to throw something out completely half baked but something (if constructive and useful about a notable topic) is usually better than nothing. All articles start somewhere and many start as little stubs that get built on by others. One of the articles that's featured as "In the News" on wikipedia's front page June 2022 Afghanistan earthquake, started out as this [2]. The article for George HW Bush started out as this [3]. I definitely sympathize as I'm doing the same (quietly working on an article I plan to publish until it's ready to go) but it is a collaborative effort that no one has to do alone.

Freely accessible sources are definitely preferred but you can use sources that are stuck behind paywalls. If you have personal access and can read those articles or publications to verify they back up what you're saying in the article, that's adequate WP:SOURCELINKS. It's definitely an annoyance when a cited source isn't freely available through the internet but that's just how it is sometimes--books are a common example of this as lots of books aren't freely available online in their entirety but are often cited as sources in wiki articles. One other note, I did see a few sources in your draft are from IMDB. Generally, anything that is openly editable on the internet isn't a good source (which is why wikipedia itself isn't reliable citable source either).

Your draft on Mark Addison is definitely impressive for an article written from scratch! Wikipedia does have guidelines on biographies of living people so you should check that if you haven't already. Usually the big issue is of notability but I can see that there's interviews from notable sources about him. The other big problem is often conflict of interest as people often write about themselves or are paid to write/promote someone. I don't think you are Mark Addison (since your user page says you're a journalist) but even that's not an instant disqualifier if you follow the guidelines.

One last plug: my one advice/plea to editors (besides citing authors which you're good at but most wiki editors seem to be allergic to.....) is to add archived links. Articles written even 5 years ago often have broken sources because the website they link to did some changes to their system and all links to pages on their old site are useless. Annoys me to no end. Best thing you can do is to include Internet Archive snapshots of the pages you're citing. If there isn't a snapshot of the page that you're using on Internet Archive already, then you can/should make one. Helps preserve the internet's useful information for generations to come. For instance, I often use as a source. Their articles generally get archived but some don't. If I wanted to cite this article, I would definitely make a snapshot of it and include it in the citation (this isn't the same page but it's a snapshot of another page that is stored on Internet Archive). Images often get broken in snapshots but that's still much preferable to having nothing. Anyway, happy editing! Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 03:00, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are my new hero. Thanks for all the great advice! I most certainly am not Mark Addison, and do have an uncopyrighted photo to add that would indicate that (if you knew what I looked like!). Suffice to say I am not a bald male and he is. I didn't think IMDB was editable by anyone, but that's good to know. I hope I'll be able to substitute those refs, though I'm wondering if I'm overdoing it a bit anyway.
I have written about Mark and many of the cited people before and think he has an interesting story — one that's definitely legitimate enough to be on Wikipedia. (I'm from Pittsburgh, only two hours away from Cleveland, and spent a lot of time there covering the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame, so I relate to his history, and both of us now live in Austin.)
I'd rather not put it out there with a lot of incomplete sourcing or incorrect referencing/punctuation, but I may have to let a few things slide because this thing is so reference- and link-heavy, it's taking forever.
I just have one other big problem: I've been using AP style all of my professional life. My brain cannot handle the concept of putting commas and periods outside of quotes! I know I'll have to go through this and fix that, but it will be very painful.
As for the couple of paywalled articles I need, the issue is that I can't even get into the archives to get the urls. I got copies of the stories from their author, but no actual link. (Like me, he copied stories out of his newspaper archives when he had access, before they all threw up paywalls or killed older content.) I've temporarily put in the info without links, and didn't get red-flagged when I inserted them, but it seems pointless to reference something no one can check. I can screen-shoot what I have, but I don't think that's what you're getting at.
Unfortunately for me and many other journalists, most of my career doesn't exist, as far at the internet is concerned. I was a full-time newspaper writer and editor for 20 years; only one of my former employers has online archives that include my work. I wrote for two magazines that are now owned by the same publisher — whose web designer somehow managed to wipe bylines off of every archived story. Ten years down the tubes. But their archives don't even go back far enough to include some of my favorite cover stories. Muckrack may have some, including uploaded PDFs, but I haven't seen any evidence that Wikipedia accepts those.
But I'm glad I'm taking the plunge.
One other question ... I checked pages by someone I know is paid to write entries, and she linked to pages on every mention of something like "Austin, Texas." There's no need to repeat links on each mention of a name or place, correct? TexasEditor1 (talk) 04:29, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@TexasEditor1 Yeah, I'm glad I can help! And no worries lol, no need for the photo, I trust that you are (or in this case, aren't) what you say you are/aren't (man that's awkwardly worded).

I think the tough thing to wrap the head around is that this isn't one's job (usually). If you handed in a half done article to your boss, I imagine they'd look at you like you have three heads and tell you to go and finish it. But if you went to a food drive and contributed several dozen cans of food but didn't have any fresh fruit to give, no one would turn you away or think you did less than was required, you know? Same here (but see below about being paid for writing).

Haha I hear you, it's tough to change those habits. I'm a double-space after period person and changing that here was difficult lol. But wiki has introduced me to the day-month-year format and I really appreciate that. I don't think most of us in America have much exposure to that format.

Hmm....I see your point. I agree that archives of old magazines and newspapers not being available is frustrating. Only 20 years ago most libraries kept archives on microfilm but I'm not sure about that anymore. I was looking for a tag that would mean something like "need help getting a URL to this source that I have in my hands but can't find online" but the closest I could find was {{dead link}}. And I think that's 'cause if the source was published, it can be used, regardless of whether it's easily accessible by internet or to the average user (so there's no tag for this kind of case because there's nothing that needs to be fixed with such a citation). The fact that it would be hard to even get a hardcopy of the source complicates it a bit (Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Indicating_availability).

But if you have a physical copy of the newspaper article, you could upload it into an archive (like internet archive which has a place for these kinds of uploads). If you can scan in the article with enough of the rest of the newspaper visible to identify that it is a legit newspaper, I think it should be adequate. Just include the archive link in your citation and you would be good.

I wasn't familiar with Muckrack before but it seems that there was some discussion about it and it was decided that if the articles/uploaded pdfs are listed on a verified journalists' accounts (possibly even your own account if yours is verified), it's ok to use. If you could upload it to both Muckrack and Internet Archive, I think that'd be even better! Internet archive because if Muckrack ever goes belly up, there'll still be a copy on the former. And uploading it to Muckrack (if you have a verified account) gives it even more authenticity because the article will be linked to a verified account (yours). And I definitely sympathize with you. I think most people don't realize how much journalism changed with the rise of the internet and the impact it had on journalists whose shoe-leather journalism was paid for by the newspaper's revenue. I dunno if that revenue has returned with digital advertising on news sites but I hope it has.

One thing you can do is put up your thoughts/concerns about the sources in the article's talk page. Hopefully, other editors who may disagree or have issues with some of your edits will see your notes in the discussion page and you can talk it out there, avoiding an edit war.

You mentioned it in passing but conflict of interest with being paid to write an article is a complicated issue and way out of my depth. I don't know if that's your situation (or if you're writing purely for satisfaction) but there are guidelines on that here WP:PAY. If you are writing just for enjoyment, you can ignore that.

But as far as including links for every single mention of a thing that has a wiki article, yeah, you don't have to do every single one. My preference is to do it like I would an abbreviation of an acronym--include the link for the first use of it in the article and maybe in later uses if you think a reader might have jumped to that point in the article without seeing the previous link. For example, Austin, Texas is mentioned earlier in the article as where Joe Schmoe did a lot of his early performances. But later on, in the Personal life section, Austin, Texas is also mentioned because it's where he settled down in his 40s and it would be fine to include the link there as well. But there's guidelines on that here and here as well.

On that note, I'll say that it is sometimes hard to find the guidelines because wiki has both the public facing articles and the "behind the curtain" guideline and discussion pages and it's often hard to specify which one you're searching for. I might search for "wikipedia spaces after period" but search results would give me the wiki article about sentence spacing while the page about wikipedia's preferred style for editors might be buried in the later search results (though in this case they're not). One thing you can do is use wikipedia's search function and, when you're looking at the search results, click the bar that says "Search in:", which is two lines below the blue Search button. You can untick the Articles box and tick the Discussion and General help boxes so you're looking only at the behind the scenes stuff. I also often use and search for "wikipedia guidelines xyz" or "wikipedia manual of style xyz". Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 18:53, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again! That pay reference was to another writer's work; I've read the cautions but I'm not getting paid for this. I somehow did start it as an article for consideration but I was following prompts and I'm not sure why that showed up. I pasted some copy in from a Word document that I'm now concerned could have been read as a copy-and-paste of source material, because I had copied a different Wikipedia page into Word to use as a template long before I actually tried to enter my copy on Wikipedia. When I did, I copied and pasted from my Word page — with new copy instead of the original I'd copied. But I suppose that might have complicated my effort.
I have definitely noticed what a labyrinth Wikipedia is regarding guidelines, guides, etc. I found one page titled "The Missing Manual." Except it's not a page. It's a book!
I have jpg and PDF copies of the clips in question. But I need to verify they exist in the Cleveland Plain-Dealer archive, and that's proving troublesome. If I lived in Ohio, I could access them through the library system there. My library card is expired; there's nothing in the wayback machine for these articles and this is getting incredibly frustrating for an ADD-afflicted person. I don't even know if I'd be allowed to upload individual 28-year-old articles published by a newspaper because they may still hold the copyright.
Plus, I can't find a way to upload them to I set up an account, but of course, their link to "getting started with uploading" comes up as a 404 error. Everywhere I turn, there's another freakin' roadblock!
As for Muckrack, I can't load someone else's work onto my page ..
I know is a legit reference source because I see it all the time in Wikipedia, but how about discogs? TexasEditor1 (talk) 02:44, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Using books by author as source for BLP[edit]

Dear wiki-editors,

could you please point me to information about whether or not it is okay to cite books authored by the subject of BLP, to expand on the content of his/her teachings?

Thank you! Netanya9 (talk) 11:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can find something in WP:BLPSELFPUB. Ruslik_Zero 12:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Netanya9 Generally not, see WP:ABOUTSELF. The default WP-attitude is "If no independent WP:RS bothered to write about his teachings, we shouldn't either." It's probably ok include a list of his MOS:WORKS, or a list of his noted works if there's a lot. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:17, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for these helpful links @Gråbergs Gråa Sång and @Ruslik0
1) It is okay to create a 'publication' section with a list of links to the author's publications in magazines.
2) If there is a book published by a publisher about the subject, by a different author, but the subject of BLP has co-operated with the book and is therefore kind of a co-author, but it's not his name on the book. Can we use that book as a source?
3) I see a lot of examples like that cite the BLP's books to explain his work. Is this a grey area, or should a third party WP:RS write about the teaching of the subject before it can be mentioned.
4) Related topic: how do you use content from a source without plagiarism or direct quotes. Do you rewrite the content? Can you recommend Wiki sources that explain this?
Thank you very much for helping out! Netanya9 (talk) 09:28, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
1) Pretty much, but too much "everything and the kitchen sink" may cause opposition.
2) It can be an ok source depending what you use it for, context matters. Consider WP:EXTRAORDINARY. WP:INTERVIEW may be relevant.
3) Right. Here's the thing: because of it's open nature, WP has a lot of crap. More at WP:OTHERCONTENT. Your mission, should you chose to accept it, is to do better. For example, "He subsequently learned to firewalk and incorporated it into his seminars." sourced to his own book is clear fail of WP:BLPSELFPUB, and it's quite alright to remove it, or see if there's a better source for that (there may well be, apparently he had some troubles related to firewalking). There's also a variety of templates like [better source needed] that can be used. It's often helpful to look at other WP-stuff for guidance, but then one should look at good WP-stuff.
4) Yes, you write it in your own words. Some guidance at WP:COPYPASTE, WP:PLAGIARISM, WP:PARAPHRASE and WP:QUOTE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User page in more languages?[edit]

For now, I have my user page in | Czech Wikipedia, including links to my photos which I uploaded to Commons. In my English user page I have link to Czech page.

But to make my content (photos in Commons) accessible to more users, I think about creating another language versions of my page (as normal Wiki pages have) or moving everything to English version. What would be the best solution? I do not have time to edit all language mutations, so it would be great if I would extend my Commons gallery just on one place and I do not have to edit it 2 or 5 times.

Also, I want to divide this my page to more smaller ones, so I am considering where to created needed photo subpages. Penguin9 (talk) 17:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Penguin9! There's no ideal solution, but one tool you have comes from the fact that, if you create a userpage on Meta-Wiki (, it'll display on any Wikipedia or other WMF project where you don't have a page. You can only make it one language, though (although templates like meta:Template:User page do translate to a user's interface language). Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 18:02, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It means I could request deletion of my already created pages and let them all be copies from Metadata? Does it work for subpages too? Penguin9 (talk) 20:39, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Penguin9, yep, the way you'd implement would be to write your user page on Meta and then request your page on the local wiki(s) be deleted. I'm not sure about subpages, but you could try testing. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 04:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Penguin9: If your objective is to get more of your photos used in multi-language Wikipedia articles and elsewhere, I think that you can just focus on your page commons:User:Penguin9 since anyone noticing one good picture will likely be within Commons when they click through to the uploader's page to see their other contributions. Also, individual photos are more likely to be found and used if they have comprehensive tagging into useful categories. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:06, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Primary topic for Split[edit]

The primary topic for Split is either the Croatian city or the James McAvoy film, why is Split a disambiguation? (talk) 17:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When there's no singular primary topic, a page is generally made a disambiguation. Hope that helps clarify! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 17:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Split,_Croatia/Archive_2#Requested_move_21_January_2017 Seems to have been the latest discussion on that. You can start a new one if you want, see Wikipedia:Requested moves. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:08, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, the primary topic is probably either the Croatian city or the James McAvoy film. -- (talk) 18:02, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, unless it's clearly one or the other, that means there's no one singular primary topic. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 18:03, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd argue that the Croatian city should be primary. It existed long before the film, and will continue to exist long after the film is forgotten. If anyone wants to start a RM discussion on that, I'm happy to contribute to it. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was opposed at Talk:Split, Croatia/Archive 2#Requested move 16 May 2016, and that was eight months before the theatrical release of Split (2016 American film) which still has far more page views.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 15:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PrimeHunter: Looking at the discussion, I admit I agree with the outcome. As for page views, however, page views aren't relevant. Apple Inc. gets more views than Apple but we wouldn't call the company "Apple" even though that's its common name. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC says "In most cases, the topic that is primary with respect to usage is also primary with respect to long-term significance." If the debate was simply about the city versus the film, the film has no comparison against a city that has existed since ancient times and is still thriving today, regardless of page views. In this case, however, the English language has too many meanings of the word "Split" while in Croatian "Split" means basically one thing. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:20, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Page views are a big factor in many disambiguation discussions and it's mentioned at Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Determining a primary topic. I'm not saying the film is primary but the page views are significant in saying there is no primary. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:13, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have memories of the Metropolitan Cattle Market[edit]

I would like to add the details to the main page but of course don't have any citations. It is additional details in the late fifties and early sixties. These include the location of the slaughtehouse on the East side of Shearing road, the animal hide hall and the Post office depot both inside the railings on the west side. The first stage of development was the demolition of the slaughterhouse replaced by Prefabricated Tadcaster cottages as temporary dwellings AndrewPiesse (talk) 18:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AndrewPiesse Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, we cannot accept personal recollections for article content, as there is no way to verify that. 331dot (talk) 19:12, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello AndrewPiesse. Thank you for wanting to help Wikipedia. Unfortunately, as 331dot has stated, you will not be able to ad personal recollections to the article, for a reliable published reference is needed. Perhaps there is a local historical society or library that has a book or article that can be used as a reference for additions to the article. If not, you could ask if a local history group would be interested in having a copy of your written recollections. That way, what you remember could be preserved for others to read it. Best wishes. Karenthewriter (talk) 19:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@AndrewPiesse: The article Metropolitan Cattle Market is currently not well sourced, so if you are interested in the topic and can find published information held by local societies or libraries, please add them. It would also be feasible to get interest from a local newspaper in publishing your reminiscences and once that's done, Wikipedia can use that article as our source. Equally, if you have photos you took that show the items you mention, they can be uploaded to Commons for use. However, Wikipedia can't rely on sources like blogs, no matter how accurate you think your contributions are. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How can I get an opinion for English language on a section of a page[edit]

Hello, good evening to the people in the teahouse. This is my 1st post here, so please forgive me for troubling you. I would also like to inform you that english is not my 1st language. Ok, I will get to the point now. Recently I have made contributions to a page. And another editor apparently "corrected" some grammatical mistakes I have made. But I believe my grammer was ok. So what should I do? I don't want to revert because I am not confident in my grammatical knowledge. Nor do I want to trust the other editor blindly. Should the next step be to get a neutral opinion from someone expert in english? If so, how, and if not, what can be done? Thank you for reading! Comfortable East (talk) 19:59, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just ask the person who corrected your grammar where exactly the errors were. Castlepalace 20:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comfortable East, there's an enormous variety in what editors confidently describe as their corrections of grammatical mistakes. (Plenty of what are alleged to be grammatical mistakes are not grammatical mistakes.) Please point us to the/an exact edit in question. -- Hoary (talk) 22:13, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the edit history. I was wondering if the use of “since” was grammatically incorrect. Comfortable East (talk) 05:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comfortable East, if you want an opinion on what has happened with your edits on a particular page, you're much more likely to get a useful opinion if you let us know which page. Maproom (talk) 22:50, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
At Nicoladoni–Branham sign you added a person's name as a Wikilink, with "Dr." outside the Wikilink. Per WP:MOSBIO, under Titles of people, Wikipedia does not put Dr. before or M.D. or Ph.D. after a person's name. The editor who made the change mentioned MOS CREDENTIALS in the Edit summary. David notMD (talk) 22:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I later read the “policy” of the use of titles. I admit it was a mistake on my part. But, I think it is not related to grammar? Comfortable East (talk) 05:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're right: it isn't. -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the edit history. I was wondering if the use of “since” was grammatically incorrect. Comfortable East (talk) 05:51, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Doremo has added some indefinite articles where I too would have added them. As for the word since, it can mean "because" -- any "language expert" or book that tells you otherwise is plain wrong. In some contexts, the word is undesirable: discussing two people, "X started embezzling his employer since he met Y" might mean either because of or after this meeting, and rephrasing to avoid potential ambiguity would be a good idea. However, even beneficial avoidance of potential ambiguity such as this doesn't mean that there was anything wrong grammatically. Also, the contexts of your uses of since don't allow misinterpretation as "after". I'd say that you know how to use since and are most welcome to continue to use it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much @Hoary! This really helped a lot to clear my doubts. I agree that the misinterpretation of the word “since” maybe more likely on Literary articles, as opposed to more sciencey articles I'm interested in. Anyway, I learned something new, and will take that as a win for sure.
And have a great day! Comfortable East (talk) 18:06, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"X started embezzling from his employer since he met Y" is correct; "embezzling his employer" isn't. Julietdeltalima (talk) 21:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Embezzling his employer" does indeed sound strange, Julietdeltalima. Perhaps I was sleepy when I typed it. -- Hoary (talk) 21:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Entry that was listed in "Deaths in 2022" has disappeared[edit]

Please help me! I created a new article entitled Anthony Drake by clicking red link to a death listed under Deaths in 2022 1 June 2022. I created the article by moving it from Draft Space and the titled changed to Draft:Anthony Drake. Once the article was finished, I moved it back article space by clicking "Move" in the More dropdown menu at the top of the page. When I go to the list of Deaths in 2022 the entry for Anthony Drake is no longer there. Also, the article I created does not have the Talk page anymore. What has gone wrong? Andymcteddybear (talk) 22:55, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Andymcteddybear, welcome to the Teahouse. The entry was removed from Deaths in 2022 in this edit because the article was still a draft at that time. (talk) 23:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. How do I restore the entry to Deaths in 2022 and link it to this article: Anthony Drake? Do I need to make a new entry? Andymcteddybear (talk) 06:59, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Andymcteddybear, yes, just make a new entry for the appropriate date. However, I notice that his date of death is not actually sourced in the article you created - where did you get that information? (talk) 07:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The entry was listed by another user in Deaths in 2022 but there was no article. I simply clicked on the red link and created the article.
I can make a new entry and provide the necessary citation if I am allowed to do so. Andymcteddybear (talk) 07:22, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Andymcteddybear, yes, you're certainly allowed to. Just follow the directions at the top of the article (and remember to add your source for the date of death to the Anthony Drake article too). (talk) 07:25, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks Andymcteddybear (talk) 07:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


I don't know if Wikimedia Commons is the right place to ask this question.

If I record a book out loud or make a video of something copyrighted am I violating copyright if I share it with other people or post it online?

Here are a few examples

I read a book out loud and post in on YouTube or Wikimedia Commons or another website

I do examples from a physics textbook and post them on YouTube or a Wikimedia Foundation website

WalkingRadiance (talk) 00:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is a violation. Don't do that. Also, Wikimedia sites are not a web hosting service. You should not be uploading stuff that is not related to the missions of these sites. MrOllie (talk) 00:23, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a legal way to work out problems from a book and put them on the Internet or do I have to be the author or publisher of a book to make a YouTube video with the solutions for example? WalkingRadiance (talk) 01:40, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@WalkingRadiance I think you are asking two different questions here, and the answer very much depends on whether you are posting something to YouTube or to Wkimedia. You can do anything on YouTube that YouTube allows, and that will not affect Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. WP/WM is completely separate from YT. Copyright violations that appear on YouTube are usually, but not always, deleted; again, that is up to YT to enforce, not WP or WM. That doesn't make copyright-infringing YT posts actually legal.
If you post copyrighted material to Wikimedia Commons, it will be quickly deleted.
YouTube is generally not acceptable as a source in a Wikipedia article to establish notability, and Wikipedia articles must not link to anything, anywhere, that infringes copyright. Hope this helps. (talk) 05:00, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My video passed the copyright check on YouTube. WalkingRadiance (talk) 13:22, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The video may have passed an automated check, but if you are reading from a copyrighted work, and posting that recording, I believe it is a copyright violation. I'll bow out now; good luck. (talk) 05:47, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I can make up my own questions with different wording and numbers if there is no legal way. WalkingRadiance (talk) 01:41, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi WalkingRadiance and welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. My understanding is that the answer to your question would be no. If you look at the first page in a book, it usually says something along the lines of recording the information by any means (e.g. an audio recording) would be a copyright violation. I appreciate your willingness to help others learn though, even if this isn't the best way. Is there anything else I can help you with? Clovermoss (talk) 02:06, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@WalkingRadiance: My understanding is that making your own questions wouldn't be a copyright violation but I can't think of how that could be used on the English Wikipedia. I could be wrong, though. Maybe Wikimedia Commons would appreciate a contribution like that, I'm not sure. You could try asking here [5]. Clovermoss (talk) 02:12, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is this event notable? How to confine submission review to the event not the person? How to title such an article?[edit]

Is the event of a 17-year-old individual becoming a judge with the power to adjudicate civil and criminal proceedings, a notable event? Is that event something worthy of notice? I have ten different newspaper sources surrounding this event and an article in a legal journal. I think that would satisfy the notability requirement for significant coverage by reliable sources if it's a notable event under Wikipedia standards. And if it were a notable event, how would I keep the article from being reviewed for submission as a notable person? The individual is significant for their role in the single event. I do not have references for the person. I wouldn't want the submission to be denied because I didn't have references as would be found in a biography of a notable person. Lastly, how would I title such an article? Judgehistorian (talk) 00:57, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Subjects have to be notable, whether it's a person, corporation, thing, place...and more context here would be useful. A 17 year old, at least in the US would not be able to become a judge. PRAXIDICAE🌈 00:58, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not so. That's why I want to submit the article because most would think it is not possible. See: and I have significant coverage from newspapers all across the country of this event. This is a person who was performing marriages before he was legally old enough to get married. Judgehistorian (talk) 01:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Marc Griffin (talk) 01:12, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please take a look at WP:BLP1E. Julietdeltalima (talk) 21:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a redirect[edit]

Can somebody create a quick redirect for me?

You should create a redirect for Khalistan Liberation Army which will redirect to Khalistan Liberation Force#KLA. There is already a section about this militant wing there. (talk) 02:28, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. From what I can see, the redirect you've suggested has already been created. Is there anything else I can help you with? Clovermoss (talk) 02:30, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User:Clovermoss Thanks. I didn't saw it already exist. (talk) 02:34, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's okay. Better to ask a question than not to if you're ever unsure about something. Feel free to come back here if you have any other questions. Clovermoss (talk) 02:42, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alright User:Clovermoss. Can you redirect HAL Tejas Mk1A to HAL Tejas? It is a recognizable subject[6] and we already got an article for HAL Tejas Mk2. (talk) 04:59, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done. It took me awhile because I went to sleep. Are you aware that one of the benefits of creating an account is being able to create redirects yourself? Alternatively you could try going through Articles for Creation. I'm mentioning this because I do work and sleep sometimes and it's entirely possible you didn't know any of this. Thank you for the suggestion, though. Anything that improves the enyclopedia is a good thing. Clovermoss (talk) 10:41, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Linking to a page[edit]

Hi. I added the page Isabel Dutaud Nagle Lachaise. But in another article I'd like to embed a link, but her name there is Isabel Dutaud Nagle, as she was not yet married. I cannot link "Isabel Dutaud Nagle" as it only suggests I make a page for her. Would not this be duplicative? Thanks for any help. Pbrhornbostel (talk) 02:32, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Pbrhornbostel. Welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. Thanks for asking your question here, you were on the right track! I created something called a redirect so if you someone types in "Isabel Dutaud Nagle" they will actually get to see the article at Isabel Dutaud Nagle Lachaise. You can read more about redirects here if that's something you'd like to learn more about. Clovermoss (talk) 02:41, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Amazing. I just clicked on it, and indeed, just as I had hoped. I have been reading tutorials, and finally got to piped link. but you solved the problem! Thank you! I am now waiting on permission for the image of the Lachaise home to add into both pages on Gaston Lachaise and on Isabel Lachaise. thanks so much. Pbrhornbostel (talk) 02:47, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. If you ever have any other questions, feel free to come back here or to ask me here. There's some useful links there that you might find useful in general. Have you heard about Women in Red? It's a wikiproject and those can be interesting to get involved in. If you have any specific interests, I might be able to help you find something that aligns with those. Regardless, I hope you have a good day. Sincerely, Clovermoss (talk) 02:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Pbrhornbostel: I forgot to "ping" you so this should give you a notification that I replied back. Clovermoss (talk) 10:47, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong picture?[edit]

I am pretty sure the picture on Leonard Davis page is not the Leonard Davis who played for the NFL. I could be wrong but I certainly do not think so. I was only reading about Leonard when I saw that picture. I have no idea how it would be changed if it is not Leonard. ADCOLBAR (talk) 04:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, ADCOLBAR. It seems like you are discussing Leonard Davis (American football). The photo now in the article seems to have an acceptable provenance. When I go to Images and search for "leonard davis football", I see a lot of photos of a man who looks like the person in the article. So, what is the problem? Cullen328 (talk) 04:12, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, ADCOLBAR, if you click through to the file's page on Commons you will find it came from a source that's very plausibly correct and it has the correct license. If you are in any doubt, you could ask the uploader of the file, namely BlueAg09. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:31, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How Can I Add The Biography?[edit]

How Can I Add Biography? Anonymous078 (talk) 06:05, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Anonymous078: Follow the directions at Wikipedia:Articles for creation.
If it's a biography about you, well, basically don't write about yourself on Wikipedia! See Wikipedia:Autobiographies. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to Load material for a new page for David Balsiger[edit]

Please help! Original includes photos. How do I load the photos? DrVickie (talk) 06:58, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended content

David W. Balsiger, LHD (December 14, 1945 – June 27, 2017) was an American best-selling author, investigative journalist, historian, activist, photographer, speaker, and award-winning film producer, director, and screenwriter whose career spanned 5 decades. His multimillion copy best-selling books The Lincoln Conspiracy and In Search of Noah’s Ark (co-authored with Charles E. Sellier [1]) were both made into major motion pictures of the same titles. [2] was on the New York Times Best Sellers List for 22 weeks, reaching the #2 position, and earned him an honorary Doctorate of Humane Letters from Lincoln Memorial University. In Search of Noah's Ark was four weeks on the New York Post list, and Balsiger authored three more books on Noah’s Ark. He also researched, wrote, produced, directed, and/or consulted on 14 additional documentaries on Noah’s Ark, and was a world-renowned expert on it.

He’s also known for his 30 plus years of work with Charles Sellier, [3], and Grizzly Adams Productions (GAP) of which he was Vice President and Senior Producer. Known as pioneers in independent filmmaking, Grizzly Adams Productions researched, wrote, produced, directed, edited, and marketed movies, documentaries, and television series. They were one of the first companies to use research techniques such as focus groups, opinion polling, generational science, and neuromarketing prior to releasing projects. Legendary actor, producer and director Orson Welles once told Sellier he was "light years ahead of the rest of the industry”. With Sellier and GAP, Balsiger created nearly 600 faith-based and family friendly films, many of which are listed at the International Movie Data Base, David W. Balsiger - IMDb

Life and Career''''Bold text' Born and raised in Monroe, Wisconsin, December 14, 1945, to Leon Balsiger and Dorothy (Meythaler) Balsiger, he was the oldest of 5 children. Most of his family immigrated from Switzerland and were dairy farmers and cheese makers, including his grandparents Vera (Brandt) Meythaler and Ralph Meythaler, and Anna (Marty) Balsiger and Christian Balsiger. Anna lived to be 113. He attended Oakley Grade School and Juda High School in Monroe until his immediate family moved to Buena Park, California in 1962. He graduated from Western High in Anaheim in 1964 where winning debate and writing contests earned him college scholarships. He earned a bachelor’s degree from National University after attending Pepperdine College and Chapman World Campus Afloat, and received his LHD (Doctorate of Humane Letters) from Lincoln Memorial University in Knoxville, Tennessee.

A lifelong devoted Christian and Truth-Seeker, he was a Conscientious Objector during the Viet Nam War. However, he volunteered to go to Viet Nam as an investigative reporter and photographer, and was shooting a camera as others were shooting guns and bullets. He did his best to report to his newspaper and to the American people the truth of what was happening, even though some was censored.

During the 37 episodes of The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams that aired on NBC from 2/9/77–12/19/78, Balsiger headed the research department. He soon began producing and directing films with Sellier including the series conclusion in the 1982 NBC television movie The Capture of Grizzly Adams. With the creation of Grizzly Adams Productions, Sellier and Balsiger produced nearly 600 movies, documentaries, and television shows, often with American pioneer or Christian themes aimed at family-friendly audiences. In addition to the 1977 [4] and [5], his film production awards included [6], Mark Twain's America, The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark, Breaking the Da Vinci Code, Encounters with the Unexplained (2000-2002 52-episode TV Series documentary), The Evidence for Heaven (2004 TV Movie), Xtreme Mysteries (104-episode TV series), and the 2007 39-Episode Ancient Secrets of the Bible that documents the science and truth behind Bible stories and is still shown on Christian television.

During his lifetime, Balsiger authored 40 major literary works, including 27 nonfiction books. He first books were published in 1968 while he was executive editor of The Clubwoman and chief photographer for the Anaheim Bulletin. The 1972 book The Satan Seller, co-written with Mike Warnke and Les James, has appeared periodically on the National Religious Best Sellers List. From 1987 through 1990 he was a regular columnist for USA Today [7]. He was listed in 20 achievement directories including eight of the prestigious Marquis library directories: Who’s Who of Emerging Leaders in America, Who’s Who in Religion, Who’s Who in Advertising, Who’s Who in Entertainment, Who’s Who in the Media and Communications, Who’s Who in the West, Who’s Who in America, and Who’s Who in the World. In spite of all this success, he never wavered from his Christian faith or his humility. He received over 300 national and international film and book awards, including numerous awards for producing, directing, researching, and writing the TV docudramas Heroes of Flight 93 and George W. Bush: Faith in the White House. The latter is also a book which, along with the DVD, is in the Bush 43 Presidential Library and the Smithsonian. They earned him an invitation to the opening of the George W. Bush Presidential Center April 25, 2013.

Retirement, Death, and Legacy

Balsiger retired in 2011, but continued from his home in Loveland, Colorado, to consult with and mentor other filmmakers and authors, and serve as a judge for Loveland’s International Film Festival. He enjoyed working with his partner Victoria managing their investment properties, her music and ministry, the Hour For Peace NoCo, and fundraisers for local charities like Homelessness Prevention Initiative, Wounded Warriors, and wildlife reserves for wolves, lions, tigers, and bears. They enjoyed their dog, attending concerts and dinner theater, and feeding the birds, squirrels, and rabbits in their back yard. He also loved reading and spending time with friends and family, especially his three daughters to whom he was totally devoted. He remained an avid photographer and world traveler, including taking an extended trip to SE Asia in April, 2016, where he photographed some of the same places in South Viet Nam he had in the 1960s. A devout Christian who respected all faiths, he was active in Crossroads Fellowship Church and Foundations Church, both in Loveland.

In February, 2017, he was asked to create an exhibit of his life and work for the Green County Historical Museum in Monroe, Wisconsin. The Life and Times of David Balsiger was displayed there and at other museums, libraries, churches and home events as the pandemic has allowed. There’s also an on-line version. As he was creating his Museum Exhibit the Spring of 2017, he said several times, “I’m so blessed. Most people don’t get an exhibit of their life and work until after they’re dead, and then someone else does it for them. I got to create mine myself.”

David Balsiger died from a heart attack in his home on June 17, 2017, at the age of 71. He was survived by his Partner Rev. Dr. Victoria Gardner, daughters Lori Vani of Olympia, WA, Lisa Burrell and Jennifer Balsiger both of Orange County, four siblings, and three grandchildren. His funeral was Friday, July 7, 2017, at Crossroads Church. His legacy includes hundreds of faith-based, family friendly films, books, and photographs, and his motto, “God has richly blessed me! My goal has always been to create quality work that makes the world a better place . . . and to leave this world a little better than when I entered it.”

'Filmography (as producer, director, screenwriter, and/or researcher)'Bold text • 1976 In Search of Noah's Ark (documentary) • 1977 The Lincoln Conspiracy • 1977 The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams (TV series) • 1979 In Search of Historic Jesus (documentary) • 1979 The Bermuda Triangle (documentary) • 1979 Encounter with Disaster (documentary) • 1979 Greatest Heroes of the Bible (TV series) • 1980 Hangar 18 • 1981 Legend of the Wild • 1981 California Gold Rush (TV movie) • 1981 The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (TV movie) • 1981 The Adventures of Nellie Bly (TV movie) • 1981 Earthbound • 1982 The Capture of Grizzly Adams (TV movie) • 1990 Vestige of Honor (TV movie) • 1993 Ancient Secrets of the Bible, Part II (TV documentary) • 1993 The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark (TV movie) • 1994 Mysteries of the Ancient World (TV documentary) • 1995 UFO Diaries (TV mini-series) • 2000–2002 Encounters with the Unexplained (TV series documentary, 52 episodes) o Political Victim: Vince Foster – Suicide or Political Execution? o Attack on America: Were There Miracles Amidst the Mayhem of 911? (2002) o America's Lost Colony: Has the Lost Colony of Roanoke Been Found? o Prophetic Last Days: Have We Entered the End Times? (2002) o Global Climate Changes: Will Global Warming Change Our Lives? o Biblical Paradise: Have We Found the Garden of Eden? (2002) o Deadly Insects: Are We Creating Killer Insects? o Fields of Mystery: Are Crop Circles the Language of Aliens? (2002) o Has the Lost Colony of Roanoke Been Found? o Are the End Times Here? (2002) • 2003 Awesome Bible Adventures (with the Total Living Network) • 2004 The Evidence for Heaven (TV movie) • 2004 George W. Bush: Faith in the White House (video documentary) • 2005 The Miraculous Mission (TV documentary) • 2005 12 Ordinary Men (TV movie) • 2005 Breaking the Da Vinci Code (video documentary) • 2005 The Da Vinci Code Deception: Solving the 2000-Year-Old Mystery (TV movie) • 2005 The Search for Heaven (video documentary) • 2006 Miracles in Our Midst (TV movie) • 2006 Heroes Among Us, Miracles Around Us (video documentary) • 2006 Apocalypse and the End Times (video documentary) • 2006 End Times How Close Are We? (TV movie) • 2006 Portrait of Courage: The Untold Story of Flight 93 (video documentary) • 2006 The Heroes of Flight 93 (TV movie) • 2007 Ancient Secrets of the Bible (39-Episode TV Series) • 2007 The Longevity Secret (video documentary) • 2007 Miraculous Messages (TV movie) • 2007 The Case for Christ's Resurrection (TV movie) • 2007 Fabric of Time (video) • 2008 Faith in the Whitehouse (video documentary) • 2008 Friends for Life (DVD movie) • 2008 Unlocking the Secret (video) • 2008 There Is More to the Secret (TV Movie documentary)

External links



  1. ^ Charles Sellier - Wikipedia
  2. ^ The Lincoln Conspiracy (book) - Wikipedia
  3. ^ The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams
  4. ^ In Search of Noah's Ark
  5. ^ The Lincoln Conspiracy
  6. ^ In Search of Historic Jesus
  7. ^,
  8. ^ David W. Balsiger - IMDb
Hi DrVickie, welcome to the Teahouse! I highly recommend you check out the guide at Your First Article - it will help you learn where to post your draft, what kinds of sources are needed, and other useful things. I'm afraid that photos are the least of your concerns at this point; the major problem is an entire lack of reliable, independent, published secondary sources which demonstrate the subject's notability.
What is the copyright status of the photos you want to use? Did you take them yourself? If not, have they been released under a compatible license by the copyright holder? They will need to be uploaded either to Wikipedia or to Wikimedia Commons in order to be used; their copyright status will determine which one of those is appropriate (if they can be uploaded at all). (talk) 08:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You don't, DrVickie. You create the draft. You improve it, considerably. (For one thing, its references are now utterly inadequate.) You clarify your relationship with your biographee or his estate (because it hardly looks like the work of a disinterested volunteer). You submit it. It's accepted (you hope). You then upload a photograph of him that you took and whose copyright you own, or a photograph that's by somebody else and that has explicitly been released according to one or other of the extraordinarily permissive copyleft licenses acceptable to Wikimedia Commons. -- Hoary (talk) 08:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
DrVickie, I first read and responded to your question "How do I load the photos?" It's only now that I notice the sentence that immediately precedes it: "Original includes photos." What is the "original", who wrote it, where is it published, and what is its copyright status? In the meantime, I note that some of the text above either is lifted from, or shares a source with, Michael Dumas, "Charles Sellier Jr., creator of 'Grizzly Adams,' dies at 67", (Alabama Media Group), 8 February 2011. -- Hoary (talk) 21:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so very much for your message. I really need help to get my late partner, David Balsiger, on Wikipedia. I’m surprised someone didn’t do it many years ago. When his business partner Charles Sellier died in 2011, his page was up within a month or so. Anyway, I’m elderly and disabled, and don’t have the technical skills to do what seems to be required. I can provide all the content, photos, references, etc. if you or someone can give me a template in which to put them. I appreciate any assistance you can provide. In the meantime, here's a link to what I created for him shortly after he died. . I've been the coordinator of the International Hour For Peace in Northern Colorado since 2006. Regarding copyright, etc., David's will left his Legacy to me and a Judge's order confirmed it. So I have the legal authority to use any of his photos, books, information, etc. in whatever way I deem appropriate. 2601:283:8401:3510:44FA:491:E39C:6C77 (talk) 02:20, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Condolences to you. I'm sure others will chime in, but he almost certainly did not own the copyright in pictures of him. The photographer almost always owns those copyrights, unless there is an explicit, signed, transfer-of-copyright agreement in place. I am not sure that a judge's order would override that-- you need a copyright expert to help. Now that he has passed, his estate (and you) still likely do not own the image copyrights, even if you own the actual photos. There are ways to use one representative photo in an article under "fair use", and others can help with that. An article should be accepted first. Hope this helps. (talk) 05:14, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would recommend using the Article wizard to create a draft.
Note several of the problems mentioned in the comments above: you have a conflict of interest which you need to disclose (the Article Wizard will walk you through doing that), some of your text seems to have been directly copied from elsewhere (everything should be written in your own words), and at the moment your draft has no sources that meet our requirements. Were there published obituaries? Those would be good starting points, along with any other newspaper or magazine articles you have access to that are about David Balsiger, specifically, not one of his projects. (talk) 18:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Editing Pages[edit]

Hello, I made edits to the article One Mega Group but my edits got removed after a few days. Why did this happen? Themissmargaux (talk) 07:36, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Themissmargaux, welcome to the Teahouse. You have already asked this question at the Help Desk and received an explanation there - please do not ask the same question in multiple places, to avoid duplication of volunteer effort. (talk) 07:47, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Themissmargaux You added large amounts of promotional wording ("Exploring endless possibilities... started conquering the is the ultimate Filipino lifestyle portal..."), multiple logos, huge sections of unreferenced text. Most of the deleted content was written from a point of view of the company. Make content neutral and factual. On the plus side, you did attempt to add references. Use those again if in support of content, and not created by the company (not press releases, website, etc.). David notMD (talk) 08:45, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You declared paid for AGC, but not for One Mega Group. What is your connection to One Mega Group? David notMD (talk) 09:28, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Last, a lot of your content (since cut) was close paraphrasing from the reference and hence copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 09:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Questions about the Wikipedia Library[edit]

So, the description on its page about it being "an open research hub" isn't particularly helpful. From what I've gathered, it's basically free-of-charge subscriptions for Wikipedia editors with 500+ edits? What subscriptions are included under the library? Vortex (talk) 11:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Vortex3427: See the About page and the Partners page. As I understand it, an editor can access some of the resources simply by being accepted by the Wikipedia Library, whereas others require separate applications. Deor (talk) 12:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's about right Deor. Vortex3427 if there's something in particular you're looking for, I can see if there's anything through my access to the Wikipedia Library. I haven't applied to any of the more specific resources, but it's something. You could also try making a resource request here. Hope that helps, Clovermoss (talk) 12:14, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question about signatures[edit]

Is there any way to edit a signature? I know on scratch i've been able to, but i'm not sure about here 684pika (talk) 13:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, 684pika, and welcome! Does this have what you're looking for? Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 13:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is exactly what i'm looking for! Thank you! 684pika (talk) 13:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Hi, Is these website considered reliable? > > > > PravinGanechari (talk) 13:58, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The place to ask about reliability of sources is WP:RSN - it's worth searching the archives of that noticeboard to see if they have been discussed previously. It's also worth seeing whether they are listed at WP:RSNP. ColinFine (talk) 16:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, though, the answer is no. Scandal rags are not usable sources due to their "damn-the-facts" approach meaning they have ineffectual editorial oversight, if any at all. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 17:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Creation of an rcat for "to an article"[edit]

I want a or want to create a redirect category for a redirect "to a valid article". I've come across a lot of article titles which hosted articles (un-reffed or not) and get deleted, but are morphed (pop culture word for transformed) into excellent feature article candidate. Take this page link as an example to a proposed deleted article that was merged into the bigger article that I've just redirected to its current official name. I think that deserves at least a redirect category, don't you think?! Intrisit (talk) 14:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about other editors here, but I'm having a little difficulty understanding exactly what you're asking. Could you reframe your question in a different way? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 00:23, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the efn template not working?[edit]

Basically i wanted to make an efn or foot note. However when i do it, it doesn't appear in the reflist. You can check here. Leahnn Rey (talk) 14:37, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Leahnn Rey, it should be {{Notelist}} Kpddg (talk) 14:39, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of questions from a new contributor[edit]

I'm havin some issues with the deletion process so I have a couple of questions, if part of the page is not sourced correctly in the opinion as vote from some editors, when they place the vote, is the intent to get the entire page deleted even the parts that have enough notability/reliable sources? does it has to be 100% spot on from the moment it is published? or do we have the chance to improve it gradually once published, is there a set time limit on how long this process is allowed to take? if the page gets deleted, can the contributor create it again after sufficient notabilty/good sources is found? Emanuelrodriguez232 (talk) 17:26, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Emanuelrodriguez232: When an article is nominated for deletion, the intent is to have the entire article deleted, because the nominator believes that the topic does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability" - see Articles for Deletion. This can happen even if certain parts of the article are properly sourced. To greatly reduce the chance of deletion, contributors can follow the Articles for Creation process by creating a draft and having it reviewed before it becomes an article. Articles may be improved at any time. If an article is deleted, an editor can create it again if they can better demonstrate notability; however, recreated articles may be speedily deleted if the new article isn't significantly better. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:39, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Articles at AfD can be improved, especially if lack of valid references is a major reason why nominated. If this is done, a comment explaining what was done can be made at the AfD. Typically, articles are at AfD seven days or longer before an Aministrator makes a decision. It is not a 'vote' per se of the people who have left their recommendations. David notMD (talk) 19:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Average response time?[edit]

I had a question about an article and asked in on the talk page. What is the average expected response time? Is someone automatically notified or do I have to get lucky and hope someone sees it? Or do I advertise it here? Jinkevin (talk) 17:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jinkevin, the response time may vary depending on the page, time asked, etc. If the talk page is on someone's watchlist, it may get a faster response. Urban Versis 32KB(talk | contribs) 18:28, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Editors who have the article on their watchlist will be notified of edits to the Talk Page. I would give it a week, and then go ahead and be WP:BOLD if there is an edit you want to make, or you could ask the question to other editors directly who have participated in the article or Talk Page. If it fits on a relevant noticeboard, that might be an option, too. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 18:30, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For articles in English Wikipedia, View history, and then Pageviews with show views per day, and to the right, may show the number of editors who have the article on their Watch list. Pyrrho mentioned another approach - messaging editors who have recently edited the article. List of best-selling Atari 2600 video games, the article in question, has one editor who was very active in 2021, so query that person. David notMD (talk) 19:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jinkevin The article talk page also has some WikiProject templates at the top. If no one responds to your talk page post after a week, you could ask on the WikiProject talk page to have interested editors answer your question on the article's talk page. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:05, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


so basically, I am a autocomfirmed user but there is no "edit" section for semi-protected pages. I can still edit source, I'm not sure that's the same, please help AARSOMEONE (talk) 23:35, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AARSOMEONE: Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! The "Edit source" tab will allow you to edit the source code of a page, while the "Edit" tab will allow you to use the VisualEditor to edit articles in an easier fashion. At the top right of any Wikipedia page, click "Preferences" and go to the "Editing" tab. Under the "Editing mode" drop down, you can make a choice:
  • If you want to see the "Edit" tab only, select "Always give me the visual editor if possible"
  • If you want to see both the "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs, select "Show me both editor tabs".
After making your selection, click the "Save" button at the top of the page. You might need to bypass your cache after making the selection to see the "Edit" tab. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:12, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@AARSOMEONE What page are you attempting to edit? You can only use the visual editor on articles, drafts and user pages, in other namespaces you have to use the source editor. (talk) 20:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good articles[edit]

I would like to nominate SCB-27 as a good article but I can not figure out how? History Buff1239ubj (talk) 00:45, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello History Buff1239ubj! First, you want to make sure that the article has met the criteria of a good article (see WP:CLASS). It helps if you have contributed to the article significantly as well. Then, add {{subst:GAN|subtopic=}}
to the top of the article page. Then, add a parameter for the subtopic section (I would add Warfare.) Save the page, then that's it! However, this page is rated as C-class and has failed the criteria for B-class. I can work on the article to improve it, but I would wait until this fits the criteria for GA-status. Thanks! 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 👋❤️ (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔🤔) 01:04, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(For more information see WP:GAI) 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 👋❤️ (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔🤔) 01:05, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
SCB-27 has large amounts of unreferenced content. It is currently C-class, and you have made no edits to it. I have raised C-class articles to GA, but it took dozens of edits before I considered the article good enough to nominate, and then dozens more edits to address weaknesses identified by the reviewer. Given your newness to Wikipedia and the problems with your creating a valid draft (Draft:The Dreadnought Battleship (research)), I recommend working on improving this and many other warship articles before nominating any for a GA review. David notMD (talk) 11:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the offer. I would really appreciate it if you could work on it a bit to get it to GA-class as it is about a key part of U.S. naval modernization. Once again thank you for the offer. History Buff1239ubj (talk) 19:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are both Meena tribe and Matsya tribe same?[edit]

Are both Meena tribe and Matsya (tribe) same? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 00:55, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! I would assume that if the two tribes have seperate articles they would be different. If you are still not sure I would read both articles thoroughly. If not ask at the reference desk. Thanks! 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 👋❤️ (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔🤔) 01:25, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Hello! I found a topic that I feel needs more coverage and I would like to make a Wikiproject for it. How do I do that? Thanks! 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 👋❤️ (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔🤔) 01:21, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Helloheart: Hi there! See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Creating a WikiProject. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Burkina Faso adjective?[edit]

I'm moving TV channel articles that just use (Country) to get them up to current naming standards (Country adjective TV channel). I've seen New Zealand not use a more adjective-y form, but I found Canal 3 (Burkina Faso), and I have no idea how to alter it, or even whether to or just put it in New Zealand's pile and just add TV channel without altering the country. Apparently according to Siri the people are Burkinabe but I don't know if Wikipedia uses it in relevant disambiguations--CreecregofLife (talk) 04:14, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I decided to go ahead and use it, but I am curious whether Myanmarese or Burmese is preferred for the country currently at Myanmar CreecregofLife (talk) 05:27, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I Created a page and submitted but was deleted[edit]

I am new. I added one recipient of Khan Sahib Title in wiki page Khan Sahib. The recipient name is Md Yousuf Uddin Sarker. In attempt to make the linked page, as I was directed, I prepared and submitted a draft. Recently, once I clicked the link on Khan Sahib recipient page (Md Yousuf Uddin Sarker) I found a prompt to create a page. As the draft is not yet approved, I thought of trying that and prepared and submitted almost same page. Only difference was, draft as I submitted was with title Khan Sahib Md Yousuf Uddin Sarker and the new one was named only Md Yousuf Uddin Sarker. Intention is very clear. I shall have a feeling of great achievement, if this decision to delete is revised and the new page as I created in published. How can I be helped? Best wishes to all. Md Farid Alam (talk) 04:15, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Md Farid Alam: Nothing you did was deleted. The article you wrote was not ready for publication in article space. It was moved to Draft:Khan Shaib Md Yousuf Uddin Sarker. It has not been deleted, but simply declined. The idea is for you to improve on it to the point where it is acceptable. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Want to edit or create Major Article Draft:Govind Dholakia[edit]

Dear TeaHouse members, Namaste I am trying my hands on Wikipedia with small small edits and contributions. Now i am trying to create one article in Draftspace but earlier someone have tied many time and they failed and they made mistakes but now i am trying to create that article within WIkipedia guidelines. But, still older mentions and history hindering my article doubting my integrity to Wikipedia. i am trying my best to give it here but somewhere older impressions are coming in between and not letting me contribute in a larger way. Please help.. Brakshit23 (talk) 05:20, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Brakshit23: Please read Wikipedia:Golden rule to get an idea of what is expected before an article can be accepted. We need multiple independent sources showing significant coverage. Your draft has only one such source. The rest are either not independent of the subject (interviews), or they are just mentions not coverage. One source is coverage of a book, not the person. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:42, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank You Anachronist. Really this was literally helpful and guiding answer so far.
Can you help me with which you found the direct coverage source for this article will find one and re-write the same and accordingly in my future article topics will make a note of it so accordingly i can build my draft. Brakshit23 (talk) 06:34, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not to help find better references. David notMD (talk) 11:33, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you archive every URL you cite?[edit]

Hello! When citing websites, do you archive it on Wayback Machine and link that archive as a matter of course or only in some situations? I'm going to add this as a citation in the Ahmedabad page and would like to prevent potential link rot. Quadriporticus (talk) 09:01, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Quadriporticus, please see our article Wayback machine, The Wayback machine works by crawling the web, and storing what it finds (as does and other search engines), rather than having people deliberately post material on it. There is a parallel system,, which does allow institutions to archive their data, but AFAIK Wikipedia does not do that, as every version of every page that has ever been on Wikipedia can be re-created. It is, of course, not the material on Wikipedia that "rots", but the non-wikipedia websites cited in the references. News-sites like CNN are preserved more frequently than many other sites, because their pages are far more dynamic - Arjayay (talk) 14:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Quadriporticus, there now exists a recent snapshot of the article in question here: [7]. If you come across a link that hasn't yet been archived in the future, you can use the "Save Page Now" feature on the Wayback Machine's main page. In my experience, the quickest way of checking the archives of any given URL is by typing before it (for example web.archive.org Hope this helps. Dr. Duh 🩺 (talk) 07:47, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When will my article be approved?[edit]

I created an article for a musical album weeks ago, and I was wondering how long it will take for my article to be approved. TrooperTru2022 (talk) 10:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, welcome to The Teahouse. Your draft Draft:Showdown (Show-Ya album) has not been submitted for review yet and currently has no reliable independent sources, which is what articles are based on, so would be declined if not improved first. Theroadislong (talk) 10:56, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Submitted and declined. See Help:Referencing for beginners to learn how to properly reference. David notMD (talk) 11:36, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@TrooperTru2022: You can't just slap a few bare links onto the end of the article and expect it to be approved. I made a comment there as to what needs to be done. Also read David notMD's comment above. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:35, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


I AM A MUSIC LOVE WHO WOULD WISH TO WRITE ABOUT ARTISTS, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO SO? Sulaimanprofitug (talk) 11:20, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First, stop writing in all capital letters, as that is considered the same as shouting. David notMD (talk) 11:36, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Sulaimanprofitug. First, go to the guide at Help:Your first article to learn how to write an article. However, a quick look at your contributions shows that you probably don't have enough experience at Wikipedia -- try making simple edits first, and then attempt an article. Please reply if you have any questions. Urban Versis 32KB(talk | contribs) 12:21, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Girdhar Swami casting director[edit]

Girdhar Swami (born 10 January 1989) is a Mumbai-based Indian casting director]] who has cast several actors for movies including director Rajkumar Hirani's 3 Idiots, Sriram Raghavan's Andhadhun, Prabhu Deva's Rowdy Rathore and David Dhawan's Coolie No. 1 (2020 film) Girdhar Swami (talk) 11:24, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Girdhar Swami girdhar swami The draft: Draft:Girdhar Swami exists. Do you have a question? David notMD (talk) 11:46, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
help me my wikipedia articles Girdhar Swami (talk) 11:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not to be co-authors. I restored the four Declineds and a Comment for this draft. My advice: Do not delete Declineds nor Comments. Also, see Help:Referencing for beginners to learn how to properly reference. At no point in time has the draft had valid references. David notMD (talk) 11:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draft deleted, poster blocked for spam and sock-puppetry. DMacks (talk) 12:48, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ABCDE - A Better CD Encoder[edit]

Where has the article page gone? (talk) 12:47, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You asked the same question here a few days ago. Here it is, with answers. Are the answers hard to understand? -- Hoary (talk) 12:57, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply. Very sad that someone has put work into the article(including myself) only for it to be deleted! The article must have only taken up a few bytes of data. I won't be editing any more articles or donating to the foundation again as deleting it seems very petty. (talk) 13:10, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the issue is that the information on the article might not be accurate because of its limited coverage in reliable sources, not that it takes up too much space on Wikipedia's servers. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:20, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
IP editor, please don't reply to archived posts or closed deletion discussions; we can answer any questions you have here. Since the result of the AfD was a soft delete (WP:SOFTDELETE) you can request the article be undeleted at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. If notability is still not demonstrated, though, it may just end up being deleted again. (talk) 13:57, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the reply, have put in a request to have undeleted. (talk) 17:35, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Restored to Draft:ABCDE. Jay (talk) 02:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Hello, I have used the excellent Wikipedia for many years pretty much on a daily basis. I also contribute to the cause by means of a financial donation each time I am asked to. I have only ever made a very small number of minor contributions to articles, usually only to correct a typing/spelling error. I have recently been accused of making edits to articles and that these edits are considered to be vandalism, however I have never done any such thing particularly since I had never visited the article pages of the subjects involved and in fact had never even heard of the subjects. I am concerned that I am being wrongly accused and wish to "clear my name". Could my account have been hacked? Should I change login password? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks "Balbridie" Balbridie (talk) 12:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly where was the accusation (were the accusations) made, Balbridie? -- Hoary (talk) 12:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Are you referring to this? Kpddg (talk) 13:05, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This was not a constructive edit, but it came from an IP address (most likely the one you use). So those edits may not have been made by you. Once you've created an account, only you can edit from it. Kpddg (talk) 13:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for getting in touch. I happened to notice a message flagged for me a week or so ago. See the following and my response. I also came across another accusation the other day when I was going to make a minor edit in an article I was reading and I was prevented from making the edit. However, I can find no record of this. Perhaps the following might explain what is going on?
Balbridie (talk) 13:09, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Balbridie, there's a good chance that someone else (not you) used the IP to vandalize, and you received the warning. Editing signed in will avoid any false accusations of vandalism. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:17, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks but why was my user name identified as having made the vandalised edit? Does this not indicate that someone has hacked my account and is signing in using my user name and password? Balbridie (talk) 13:25, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I should explain that I am not very tech-savvy and am not clear how someone else can use the IP address referred to... Balbridie (talk) 13:27, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think you may be confusing user name and IP address there have been no posts on User talk:Balbridie, which is where any warnings about edits made by your user name would be posted. IP addresses, however, are increasingly "dynamic" - the address is allocated and/or re-allocated whenever someone uses the system, so you may be allocated one address one day, and another address the next, so someone else may be allocated the address you were using yesterday, and you may be allocated the address used by a vandal the day before, so may be seeing warnings given because of the actions of that earlier IP user. This is why we urge people to create an account. - Arjayay (talk) 13:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for explaining this. I normally sign in but perhaps I haven't always. I'll take your advice and ensure I'm always signed in when using Wikipedia from now on. Balbridie (talk) 13:57, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Balbridie I'm glad you got the explanation you sought. The IP address that received the warning is a Three Mobile broadband number - probably assigned in a variable manner to hundreds of people over time (in a 'dynamic' way, as mentioned above). Of those hundreds of address users, you are perhaps the first - well, second - ever to have used it to edit Wikipedia. One user who was allocated that address at one point in time was malicious, and received a warning from us. You then came along on your mobile broadband, got allocated that same IP address at that time and edited Wikipedia, albeit not logged in, and thus you saw that warning aimed at another person. It's a bit like all the passengers on a bus being able to see a speeding ticket given just to the person driving the bus that day. It wasn't you, and there's nothing to worry about, as this kind of concern gets raised all the time. As you have learned, being registered and staying logged in is the best way, and allows every edit you make to only be assigned to that one account - and hence to you. (Further info on IP address assignment here) Hope this has all helped. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:20, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks Nick - a very clear explanation! Thanks to all others who took the time to respond to my, as it turned out, unwarranted concerns. Balbridie (talk) 14:26, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Balbridie, there is never an unwarranted concern. This is why we are helping at the Teahouse. We want to explain and assist you and others in their editing concerns and questions here on Wikipedia. Just as in normal editing, every helper or host here is a volunteer that gives up a portion of their time editing to assist others and, for the most part, we enjoy helping. I'm glad Nick and others were able to assist you. Good luck and happy editing. If you have any other concerns in the future please bring them up. We are ready to offer assistance. --ARoseWolf 14:47, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Nick Moyes to clarify that warning in my absence. Good job keep it up. Dove's talk (talk) 17:21, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Language courses on Wikipedia?[edit]

I was thinking, there are so many people working on the pages and so much information connected by these,

why shouldn't we create free language courses on the regular wikipedia (or as a subproject)

to not only make information freely available but languages themselves as well (in form of way longer and more detailed pages).

-created, maintained, expanded and checked by the users themselves

-exercises could include instructions to read pages in the corresponding wikipedia version (either with links or with coding).

I will start doing some, but I wanted to know, if

-this project is somehow forbidden (dunno why it should be),

-it already exists


-if people would be motivated

if no one stops me (or shows me where there is such a project here) i will just start doing the first course,

I hope many think alike

Ps: How about a structure like Atsutsaquu (talk) 16:16, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Atsutsaquu: Welcome to the Teahouse. It is very unlikely that this proposal will be sanctioned here as Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. You may want to contribute to its sister project Wikibooks instead, as it has some structured modules over there, like German/Grammar/Sentences. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:34, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much, this was exactly the type of project I meant, I just checked it out and evem if im not that much a fan of linking every detail on a different page (Latin page) I think I will contribute. :-) Atsutsaquu (talk) 16:40, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
on a second thought, i think a structure like: would also suffice Atsutsaquu (talk) 16:35, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Again, that doesn't sound like it would be appropriate for an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:48, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It might be a suitable idea for Wikiversity, although that's not the most active of Wikimedia projects. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Atsutsaquu Wikipedia is a project specifically about creating an encyclopedia, see the first of the five pillars. The wikimedia foundation (which runs the project) has a number of other websites that are aiming to create different things, wiktionary is a dictionary, commons is a media repository, wikivoyage is a travel guide etc. Instructional texts are not within scope of an encyclopedia, but they would be ok at wikiversity (talk) 20:46, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding inaccurate content[edit]


I have been dealing with this page Abd al-Mu'min that contains inaccurate information, and it appears that a particular user brushes off reporting a dispute, but the user keeps reverting the disputed page. I have provided references that shows why the provided references are dubious. Because these references may seem at first glance to be conflicting, the chronology of Almoravid dynasty rise and reign are well documented. Also, Abd Al-m'umin isn't the founder he is the Caliph, the founder is Ibn Tumart.

How does one resolve this issue, the page should be 'Disputed' at the least ? Warrior4just (talk) 16:52, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Warrior4just, as far as I can tell you've been reverted by two editors, and you were edit warring on User talk:M.Bitton before you sought the talk page. What I suggest you do is raise the issue on the talk page in a different way, by specifically outlining your evidence, rather than make a somewhat vague general statement. Drmies (talk) 16:58, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Warrior4just, Wikipedia is a collaborative project, that works by consensus. Please read WP:BRD carefully. Also, given your user name, I suggest you carefully read WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS. ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Editor has a 72 hour block for edit warring now. Doug Weller talk 17:34, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to make a Russian translation of this page: Angus_Barbieri's_fast[edit]

Angus Barbieri's fast

What would be the fastest way to do this? I am a native Russian speaker, moved to the U.S. when young, with about a 3rd grade level vocabulary. I want to show the article to a relative who only speaks Russian. This would be my first time editing Wikipedia. I just created an account moments ago.

Thank you for your help! Aorliche (talk) 16:57, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Aorliche, and welcome to the Teahouse. Translating articles to another (language) edition of Wikipedia is encouraged: see Translate us. Note that different editions have different requirements, so it doesn't automatically follow that a translation of an article in one Wikipedia will be accepted into another Wikipedia; but that article appears to be well-sourced, so I would guess that a translation would be accepted into ru-wiki.
The image used is non-free, which means that it has been uploaded directly into en-wiki, rather than Commons, and can't be accessed in ru-wiki. If its use meets the criteria in ru:Википедия:Критерии добросовестного использования, then you can use it in ru-wiki, but you will need to download it to your device and upload it separately to ru-wiki. ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Aorliche If you have any further questions come back here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:21, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism in wiki article[edit]

I came across this Wikipedia article: Contemporary Psycho Studies. I was going to flag it for not using any sources, but then I saw that there was an external link at the bottom to this page: [8]. It looks like whoever wrote this Wikipedia article directly copied everything from this source, word-for-word. I am going to work on fixing the article if I have time, but I wanted to flag it first so that other people will know. What tag would be appropriate for this instance, or do I need to do something else? I looked at the template index briefly but wasn't sure where to look, as I didn't immediately see anything concerning plagiarism. A. E. Katz (talk) 19:38, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @A. E. Katz - the primary problem here is that most of the article, certainly the only useful part, is a copyright violation and has been since its creation (source copyrighted in 2002, article created in 2009, so not a backwards copy). Such a situation is covered here. Basically you need to remove the copied bits, tag it for copyvio and post at the copyright problems page. The whole article may end up just being deleted. (talk) 19:55, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I decided to nominate it for speedy deletion, since it would basically need to be completely rewritten and I'm not sure that the subject would be notable enough to be worth it, and it looks like it has just been deleted. A. E. Katz (talk) 20:14, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for flagging it! DMacks (talk) 21:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Uploading Images[edit]

Hi! I was wondering if editorial only images were okay to upload to wikipedia?

Here’s the image I’m trying to upload:

If this isn’t acceptable, do you know where I can find similar images that are accepted? Juliacheeto711 (talk) 21:15, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Juliacheeto711, welcome to the Teahouse. The copyright status of the image is going to determine whether you can upload it or not. The criteria for Wikipedia are laid out here; the most basic summary of those criteria is: If you didn't take the picture, and it's not clearly marked as either freely licensed or public domain, you probably can't use it. The best place to look for compatibly-licensed images is over at Wikimedia Commons. (talk) 22:56, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Juliacheeto711 The answer is 100% NO - you cannot upload that image to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. The latter only accepts images that are freely licenced for commercial re-use. Your image is not. English Wikipedia itself does allow (under extremely limited circumstances) one non-free image of a person, so long as they are deceased, and no other freely-licensable image is available of them. So, unless you know a friendly hitman to do the unspeakable deed (oxymoron alert!), no images of living people are permitted unless the copyright owner has clearly released it under an appropriate Creative Commons licence that permits commercial re-use. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:37, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How do I write a letter to a state representative. Is there an index to their emails or their office address?[edit]

I would like to write a letter to the state representatives concerning the need to amend the rate set by the State for Personal Care Attendants in Texas. Citizen of texas (talk) 22:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Citizen of Texas, and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately I think you are in the wrong place; the Teahouse is for answering questions related to editing Wikipedia. You might try the Reference Desk instead. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 22:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Citizen of texas. You could the name of your representative and see whether they have an official website of some kind. These days I'd imagine that pretty much all elected officials in the US have some kind of online presence and most probably provide some way for their constituents to contact them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:50, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How do I get rid of my “homepage”?[edit]

Every time I click the link to my username, it takes me to this retarded “homepage” that I have no use for. I can navigate the community portal for stuff to do and I don’t really need this. Is there a way to get rid of it? Quiefe (talk) 02:05, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Quiefe: In preferences, under User Profile near the bottom, try unchecking "Display newcomer homepage", that might disable the feature you're asking about. RudolfRed (talk) 02:14, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This worked, thanks! Quiefe (talk) 03:03, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable Source: Sydney Morning Herald?[edit]

0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 03:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 0mtwb9gd5wx. It's not clear what your question is so perhaps you can clarify. Some general information about the types of sources Wikipedia tends to consider reliable for its articles can be found at Wikipedia:Reliable sources, but it's often hard to say whether a source is reliable without knowing more about the context of its intended use. What Wikipedia article do you want to use these as sources? What information do you want to use them to support? -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:39, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone please help me fix whatever errors are in the following spouse template[edit]


  • Élisabeth Bourquin (née Jacot)
    (m. 1770; her death 1771)
  • Marie-Madelaine Jean-Richard-dit-Bressel
    (m. 1771; her death 1781)
  • (m. <span title="
    Rosalie Bouverat
    (m. 1806)
    " class="rt-commentedText" >invalid year)

 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 05:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ficaia. It might be easier for someone to help you if you can provide a link to the article where the template you're asking about it being used, but the problem appears to be that you've mistakenly formatted "Marie-Anne Masson (née Jeannot)" as a template by adding the syntax {{ before her name. Instead of {{marriage|{{Marie-Anne Masson (née Jeannot)|1783|1798|end=divorced}}, try {{marriage|Marie-Anne Masson (née Jeannot)|1783|1798|end=divorced}} and see if that works. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:46, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Draft:Pierre-Louis Guinand 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 09:13, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Social Media Influencers[edit]

Next discussion : #Internet Culture

Hi! I am new writer to the community,

I recently did two different wikipedia pages about two social media stars that I strongly believe deserve a wikipedia page. When I went to go write about Mary Magdalene there wasn't much available known about her (Instagram Plastic Surgery Model). Mary has a ton of main stream press and is almost unforgettable, a car crash you cannot look away from. Mary's social media's channels keep getting removed so I was unable to add an external link. The second star Jessy Taylor, I wrote about had a lot of sources and was fairly a lot easier.

edit: It is my second day on here!! just simply looking for advice from experienced writers as one myself just new to wikipedia. please do not pentalize me!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Me2638 (talkcontribs) 09:10, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone assist me on adding "free" pictures to these and taking a good look and seeing what could be needed with editing. It's estimating 4 months for both pages.

Draft:Jessy Taylor

Draft:Mary Magdalene

Me2638 (talk) 05:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Me2638: In re Magdalene:
In re Jessy:
In summary, all of your sources across both articles are unusable, and one article is sourced entirely to sources we have explicitly deprecated. We're looking for in-depth, non-routine, independent news pieces about the subject written by identifiable journalists and published in outlets that have competent editorial oversight responsible for fact-checking, disclosure, corrections, and retractions. What you have here falls well short of that. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 05:53, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Jéské Couriano. Tabloid journalism gossip rags are utterly unacceptable for use on Wikipedia. The freak show aspects of their coverage, which prioritizes sensationalism over accuracy, are incompatible with a neutrally written encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 06:08, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, things you have written, such as Catapulted to stardom aged 21 andTaylor's love for performance and entertainment is rooted in theatre andMagdalene had youth-promoting hyaluronic acid jabs into her cheeks all violate the Neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. Cullen328 (talk)
And according to your sources, that should read "jabs into his cheeks".--Shantavira|feed me 08:55, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey! Thank you for the feedback! These were my first two articles!! I hope to learn more Me2638 (talk) 09:15, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Should Sinology and terms derived from it be capitalised, considering that the prefix "Sino-" is usually capitalised as well? 2A01:36D:1200:4F8:C9D3:ED0E:FF21:D238 (talk) 05:48, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Concise Oxford Dictionary does not capitalize sinologist, sinology etc. but the Collins Concise Dictionary does capitalize them, so it's a borderline case. I suggest you try to keep it consistent within the article, but don't change the existing style throughout for no good reason. Shantavira|feed me 08:26, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You should probably post something about this on its talk page. VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 08:28, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help Please[edit]


I have added references but after adding, it is mentioning as missing title. I am unable to rectify it. Reference Nos are : 5, 14, 18 and 21. Shruti Malaker (talk) 07:40, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I assume that this relates to Chandrima Shaha. Citation bot has fixed the missing titles. I have also removed the enormous list of published papers. By all means include a very few really important papers but a Wikipedia article is not a CV. Thanks  Velella  Velella Talk   08:16, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Consider restoring selected publications, but limit to five or six. David notMD (talk) 13:21, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I'm having some problems editing my firts page[edit]

Hi really want to make a page you can find it in my user page.. I declared that I have a conflict of interest with that so I wrote the page the more objective and encyclopedic I could but It got deleted for ambiguous advertising. The show in question is niche but famous I have seen other pages that have much less of a following on wikipedia, I say this because I had seen a flag before it was deleted Jdtw2022 (talk) 08:17, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The page in question isn't available anymore, but please be aware that all articles need to meet WP:GNG. Your claim that the podcast is "niche but famous" has to be backed up reliable and independent sources that talk about the subject in detail for it to be included. Additionally, editing articles which you have a COI with is heavily discouraged. See this guide for more information. Thanks, VORTEX3427 (Talk!) 08:24, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alsoother pages that have much less of a following on wikipedia count for nothing. Maybe they shouldn't have Wikipedia articles either. Please see WP:Other stuff exists.--Shantavira|feed me 09:05, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jdtw2022: The deleted Draft:Italian wine podcast consisted of nothing but an infobox and meaningless placeholder text. Yesterday you created Italianwinepodcast, which was moved to Draft:Italianwinepodcast and can be edited and improved there. When you think it's ready, you can submit it for Articles for creation review by clicking the blue button in the box at the top of it. Deor (talk) 15:31, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
yes the first one was a test that I should not have published now I am editing the draft page I hope some users in the coming months will help me as they can thank you @Deor @Shantavira @Vortex3427 Jdtw2022 (talk) 15:43, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Navbox creation[edit]

I'm trying to create a navbox template for Rivian. Last time I did it with Morgan, I did the exact same source edits as Aston Martin timeline and It came out weird. TERGY 11:38, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tergy, welcome to the Teahouse. You didn't actually do the same in Template:Morgan timeline as in Template:Aston Martin vehicles timeline. Do you want help with Template:Morgan timeline? If you just want to create a new template for Rivian then you could create an attempt and ask for help with fixes. But Rivian is new with few models and we only appear to have articles about two of them. The main purpose of a navbox is not to show a timeline but to provide navigation to other articles and two is easy to manage so I don't think a navbox timeline for Rivian is a good idea. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:23, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you but yes, I do need help with Morgan timeline. TERGY 15:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How do you make a template associated with an html code[edit]

I was planning on making a template, but it needed an html code. I don't know any way, i do know TemplateStyles, for example some templates actually use TemplateStyles and they actually link it to a TemplateStyles. for example i'm making the article 'foo'. suppose i needed a stylesheet so i'd do something like:<templatestyles src="/foo/styles.css"><span title=sometitle class="someclass">{{{foo1|foo2=foo2.1|foo3=foo3.1}}}</span>. But what about an html file? say that i wanted some element to be a div, i can't find a way to do it. Ryj430 (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

<span>...</span> is html, so you're already doing it without realizing. If you need a div, just put <div>...</div> in directly.
div contents blah blah blah
This example with various styling options produces what you see on the right:
<div style="float:right; width:100px; text-align:center; color:red; border:2px green dotted">div contents blah blah blah</div>
If you need further assistance, it would better if you can point us to what you're actually working on rather than just discussing in generalities. — 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 17:23, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Logo dimensions[edit]

Hi everyone, I would like to share my issue with logo dimensions and sizes. The issues i was facing is - it seems like there is not enough room in the frame for logo, as it become very big in the frame. Please suggest what dimensions and sizes i can use for a picture in order not to face the same issues again. Best regards Denzo9909 (talk) 14:35, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Denzo9909, welcome to the Teahouse. You asked a very similar question at the Help Desk a few days ago and got several responses - the post is archived at Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2022 June 24#Logo picture sizes. Arjayay's reply seems particularly useful. Can you give an example of an article where the logo size is a problem? (talk) 15:23, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Saline County Illinois[edit]

There is a difference of opinion over when Saline County voted to become a "wet" county. It was considered "dry" after the 1930's but We would like to know when that changed. (talk) 15:40, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.5 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Shantavira|feed me 15:49, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) :Your best course would be to post your question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous. The Teahouse is for questions about using or editing Wikipedia. Deor (talk) 15:53, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That said, a search easily turned up a Jan. 23, 2015, article saying that liquor sales were then permitted for the first time. This page, however, says that liquor sales are not permitted in unincorporated Saline County. Deor (talk) 16:04, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Culture[edit]

Previous discussion : #Social Media Influencers

Hi there! I submitted my first two articles submission to Wikipedia. Both were reviewed and not accepted. My focus is Wikipedia pages for social media (niche). For one of them, Jessy Taylor, I cited news coverage from multiple mainstream newspapers published worldwide. However, since I'm new, I understand I didn't go to the depth and didn't include everyone. I most likely did not do it correctly. Before any resubmission, I need to understand how many additional references are required to meet the notability standard for Jessy Taylor. I strongly feel that the Taylor Wikipedia page has a higher chance of getting approved than the Mary Magdelene since there wasn't much, to begin with, for Mary.

Regarding Mary Magdelene's draft, not sure what else I could add; everything that was available was on the DRAFT. Mary meets no notability standards and is a lot harder to write about. I did find a yahoo article about Jessyt that I'm wondering if I can use. All the people I'm writing about have a solid social media presence. Furthermore, I am now starting a wiki draft about Playmate Tessi. If anyone can help me with the Jessy or Playmate Tessi draft I'm starting, I would appreciate that. I have been a writer for four years. However, Wikipedia is much different than anything I had done. I'm a second-year college student, but I started school late due to other responblites, and now I have time to follow my passion. I love learning and expanding my writing knowledge.


Draft:Mary Magdelene (I will trash since unable to find anything more unless anyone can help)

--- IN PROCESS · please make edits or add anything if possible.

Draft:Jessy Taylor

Links - Jessy's Yahoo article


Me2638 (talk) 15:57, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Me2638: It is a little unfortunate that many newly-registered editors seem to believe that the best and only way to contribute to Wikipedia is to add new articles. It's unfortunate for two reasons. First, there are many other editing activities that are as important as (or more important than) creating new articles: for instance adding information to existing articles, updating references, fixing errors, adding links between Wikipedia articles, removing inappropriate text or sources, etc. Many of these things are a bit tricky, and it can be easy to get them wrong by (for instance) adding a source link to a website that is deprecated or adding too many Wikipedia links. But that's usually okay! Every single experienced editor has made a bunch of mistakes along the way (and I suspect all of us still make bloopers from time to time), and very few mistakes are truly egregious. Second, creating a new article is pretty much the hardest thing to do for a new editor – mainly because it involves all the tricky stuff such as evaluating notability, writing neutrally, using sources responsibly, picking the right sources, formatting the references, including a reasonable amount of detail in the text, etc. Once you have made a couple of thousand edits, most of those things will be much easier. And there will still be no shortage of notable topics to write about! :-)
As for the two individuals you created drafts about, it doesn't look like either of them is notable – that's often true about influencers and people who make a living by being visible on social media. The article you linked to here is a press release written by her marketing agency. That is not an appropriate source, for multiple reasons: it is not independent, and it is promotional rather than informatinal. A press release can sometimes be used to verify specific facts, but it can never be used to support a person's (or organisation's) notability. --bonadea contributions talk 17:02, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image issues[edit]

I'm a singer songwriter and have enjoyed having a page on wikipedia that I didn't touch for many years. This year the picture of me that had been there was replaced with a picture of someone else. I tried to replace it with a picture of myself. . I think I only succeeded in deleting the picture. Which is an improvement, if it had a picture of me, that would be even better. Any help appreciated. NikkiJean92 (talk) 16:18, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@NikkiJean92: I've added the image that you were trying to add. OK now? Deor (talk) 16:40, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Deor has fixed the image for you, but you might also want to talk to the folks at Commons regarding c:Category:Nikki_Jean, which is where the wrong picture came from. 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 16:48, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
NikkiJean92, you should also contact WP:VRT so they can verify your identity and image copyright status. Unfortunately we often have to deal with users who present themselves as celebrities when they are actually agents, family, friends or fans. Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 18:19, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can a person edit a another person subpage?[edit]

Can a person edit a another person subpage? 2604:B000:C218:128F:1077:199E:F339:A7AE (talk) 17:10, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but it's nice to let that person know you're doing it. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:11, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi IP user. I agree with Anachronist, but there is no reason to edit another user's page unless you are reverting vandalism or it is to that user's request. There are some exceptions, but I find ninety-nine percent of the time it is with those two reasons. Urban Versis 32KB(talk | contribs) 17:51, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]