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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

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How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...[edit]

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage.
  3. Point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.
  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.
  6. Use the discussion section of an item as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome of a nomination and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates[edit]

A posted ITNC item that needs correcting can be addressed in two ways:

  • For simple updates, such as updated death tolls in a disaster, linking issues, spelling or grammar corrections, or otherwise anything that does not change the intent of the blurb should be discussed at WP:ERRORS in the ITN section.
  • For more complex updates that involve a major change in the blurb's intent, that should be discussed as part of the current ITNC nomination.
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June 5[edit]

June 5, 2023 (2023-06-05) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

  • Forty-two people are killed, 85 injured and eleven missing after severe flooding in Haiti. (AP)

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Robert Hanssen[edit]

Article: Robert Hanssen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: ex-FBI agent and Soviet/Russian spy. More sourcing needed. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 19:05, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Some unsourced statements here and there that I will get taken care of. Weak oppose for now. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Jim Hines[edit]

Article: Jim Hines (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First man to run 100m in under 10 seconds. Died 3rd June, news released today. Article needs a lot of work. Black Kite (talk) 18:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

June 4[edit]

June 4, 2023 (2023-06-04) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections

RD: Sulochana Latkar[edit]

Article: Sulochana Latkar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Actress Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose The Career sections appears to be an entire reshuffle of the filmography, just converted into prose. Oh, and it's all unsourced. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:54, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

June 3[edit]

June 3, 2023 (2023-06-03) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

(Closed) Nova Scotia wildfires[edit]

Consensus to post is unlikely to develop, and the arguments not to post are plausible.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:10, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2023 Nova Scotia wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Canada, a series of wildfires batter the province of Nova Scotia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Canada, a series of wildfires batter the Provinces and territories of Canada of Nova Scotia in the largest in the province's history.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Canada, wildfires from the province of Nova Scotia sends smoke as far down as the U.S. state of Virginia.
News source(s): BBC - [1] - USA Today
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Wildfires have rocked Nova Scotia in the past few days. Not exactly sure what is the minimum threshold is for consensus to emerge here, but they are pretty historic, being the largest in Nova Scotian history, forcing dozens of thousands to evacuate, and sending smoke as far down as Virginia in the US. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 03:13, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for a couple of reasons. The first is that the situation is improving, thus making this less of a developing news story.[2][3] But even if the status quo remained as it was before, widespread wildfires have unfortunately become an annual occurrence in North America. People being required to evacuate their homes is basically routine, and approving a blurb about a wildfire for the main page requires exceptional circumstances (e.g. numerous deaths, large-scale destruction). Think along the lines of the Fort McMurray fire from 2016, or the fires in Australia from just before COVID. Kurtis (talk) 03:44, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Wildfires, even in Canada, are common this time of year, and unless we have significant damage, this is not rising to significance for ITN. (I mean, we didn't post the earlier BC wildfires that were sending smoke into WA and OR, for example). --Masem (t) 04:38, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The threshold is certainly higher than "no reported human casualties". -- Kicking222 (talk) 11:11, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Per above. Moreover, the article is very short and no fatalities are reported from the fire yet. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 14:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

June 2[edit]

June 2, 2023 (2023-06-02) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

RD: Natasha Al-Maani[edit]

Article: Natasha Al-Maani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jordan News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Jordanian artist Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support Based on the news source, it seems to be significant news about someone of high recognition and reputation. I believe it is worthy of being posted. Meloncookie (talk) 07:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Suppott It's Looks alright,There are ample sources under existing articles,As a Pakistani woman writer I think she has a unique understanding of feminism, but I think I can describe her work in more detail.악준동 (talk) 07:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Suppott Article has enough sources and prose to satisfy ITNRD standards. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 14:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Suppott, Short article but has enough citation. Alex-h (talk) 16:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kaija Saariaho[edit]

Article: Kaija Saariaho (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Finnish composer. BangJan1999 22:31, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support Article looks ready. Lots of prose and very well sourced. TwistedAxe [contact] 10:30, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Looks alright. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 17:28, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - Sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 17:29, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted—Bagumba (talk) 18:23, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support—This report is vivid and detailed, vividly showing the emotional state and behavior of the characters, so that readers can truly feel the charm and inner world of the characters, as well as their role and influence in the event. The news can enable readers to have a deeper understanding and pay attention to the people reported.Muqing112233 (talk) 07:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) 2023 Balasore train collision[edit]

Article: 2023 Odisha train collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 200 people are killed in a collision between two passenger trains and a goods train in Balasore, Odisha, India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ More than 200 people are killed and more than 900 injured in a collision between two passsenger trains and a goods train in Balasore, Odisha, India.
News source(s): Guardian Hindustan Times
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Serious train collision in India. Information still coming in, hence article is still a stub. Black Kite (talk) 18:29, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support on significance, oppose on quality information on this story is still very fresh, and the death toll is very likely to rise significantly. Because information is still fresh, the article cannot possibly be ready for the front page, but I expect that the article will be ready for the front page soon. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:58, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once article quality improves presuming more information comes out which I'm certain it will. Kcmastrpc (talk) 19:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle Article quality needs to be improved, and once it's expanded enough consider this a support. No doubt about notability, deaths have already risen to ~150. TwistedAxe [contact] 19:50, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - WP:ITNMINIMUIMDEATHS is not a thing, but 150 70 deaths clearly establish notability per WP:NEVENTS. Article quality ought to be improved however. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 20:33, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I support it, but it’s at least 70 killed, not 150. The Kip (talk) 20:43, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My fault. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 21:11, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The idea that WP:NEVENTS grants notability on the basis of "death count" is a common falsehood that people need to stop perpetuating. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:07, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Death count is a good indicator of notability, though, especially when it's greater than 50 people. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 00:04, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support upon expansion Article isn’t great but seems notable enough for the front page. The Kip (talk) 20:44, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support on significance due to number of casualties. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:20, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Sources (mainly Reuters and BBC) are now saying over 200 have died, so I would support even if the quality is lacking. RandomInfinity17 (talk - contributions) 22:40, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agreed. The train that was involved regularly cruises at over 115kph, and all indications are pointing towards a full-speed collision given the casualties. What a sad tragedy. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong Support even if quality is lacking, this is huge news given the number of deaths (> 200). Rest in peace to all the victims. :( --RockstoneSend me a message! 22:43, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support once the article's quality improves This is obviously significant enough to post, but the article's quality isn't good enough yet. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted Article is beyond stub stage and will expand. Subject is a massive transportation related disaster and a no brainer for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Post-posting support. This is a good example of striking a balance between swiftly posting an article around a newsworthy event in the public interest while also being in an acceptable and useful state. Good work around a tragic event. - Fuzheado | Talk 23:18, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Post-posting support. I support the blurb. That said, I don't understand why it is illustrated by a picture of Modi visiting the site. I have absolutely no animosity against Modi, but it isn't appropriate to make such a tragic event something about him. The picture should be one of the crash. This personality cult is indecent in the present context — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varoon2542 (talk • contribs) 21:28, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Odisha crash.svg
Instead of the Modi picture, I suggest that the article's diagram (right) be shown as this is more informative – showing the configuration of this complex crash.
Andrew🐉(talk) 07:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support change to diagram as illustrator. cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 08:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The diagram is simplified, not representing the lengths of the trains for example, and there is nothing to verify the content. It will not look good in a thumbnail. Stephen 12:21, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Though simplified as insufficient data has been released to make an accurate reconstruction, it gives a far better idea of the crash than prose does. Professional news media illustrations have around the same amount of detail:
Cheers, cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 14:12, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
opindia is a blacklisted source, fwiw. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support.I think that such a large-scale catastrophic event needs to be delivered to the reader in a timely manner, and the number of deaths exceeds 200, which is a worldwide tragedy. Even though the quality of the article still leaves room for improvement, I still choose to support the publication. However, please pay attention to the subsequent data update, I think that among the more than 900 injured, there will still be cases of death after serious injuries. Zhou Yuji1028 (talk) 07:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I agree the picture needs changing; better to have no image at all than to promote one particular political party at an especially tragic event. Optics, people, optics. SN54129 15:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Image changed to File:Odisha crash.svg per the above discussion. Sandstein 15:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

June 1[edit]

June 1, 2023 (2023-06-01) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Cynthia Weil[edit]

Article: Cynthia Weil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone, BBC, The Guardian, NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American songwriter who wrote many songs together with her husband Barry Mann, e.g. "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" 86.187.174.181 (talk) 19:44, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This looks Ready. What is stopping it? 86.187.175.143 (talk) 16:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
· Support The integrity of the article is quite high. I approve of publication.Sandykkzk (talk) 07:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Margit Carstensen[edit]

Article: Margit Carstensen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Süddeutsche Zeitung
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German actress, Tatort and Fassbinder films. Grimes2 (talk) 13:50, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well-referenced, seems ready to post --- Crecy1346 (talk) 14:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Vellayani Arjunan[edit]

Article: Vellayani Arjunan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manorama News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Fahads1982 (talk) 09:39, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose for now - Article is too short, in my opinion. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 16:07, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Article looks ok for ITNRD, it's not a blurb we're nominating. The article could obviously use some more work but it's okay in its current state. TwistedAxe [contact] 20:24, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now – Article needs to be given a decent structure. Much of the prose is in the lead; the lead is supposed to be the summary of the article's content. Schwede66 02:44, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Only prose is in the lead and most of the article is made up of tables. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 10:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now - I want you to explain what kind of person he is, not just to explain his degree. I'd like to explain his achievements. Jiminewiki (talk) 07:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now - The content is too brief and requires a detailed explanation of his research. In addition, this article requires a constructive structure.MINJI JEONG (talk) 07:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now, Per above. Alex-h (talk) 16:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) 2023 Europa League Final[edit]

NOT POSTED
Consensus is against this going on ITN. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 21:32, 1 June 2023 (UTC) (non-admin closure)Reply[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2023 UEFA Europa League final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sevilla FC beat A.S. Roma 4-1 on penalties to win the 2022-23 UEFA Europa League (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sevilla FC beat A.S. Roma 4-1 on penalties to secure their 7th Europa League title
News source(s): BBC Guardian Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Congratulations to Sevilla. Notable enough to post to ITN in my opinion... Crecy1346(talk) 10:25, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Probably the same reason used to post NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is there a "March Madness" pop culture equivalent? —Bagumba (talk) 15:47, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - Champions League yes, Europa League and Europa Conference League no. -- KTC (talk) 15:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support for multiple reasons. Firstly, it’s not true that football is well represented on ITN, with the 2022 FIFA World Cup Final being the last story posted five months ago (it’s true that there are many ITNR items, but they don’t get posted regularly). Secondly, the argument that this is a second-tier competition is simply not valid. Yes, it’s superior to the Champions League, but it’s far above the quality of second-tier domestic leagues. For instance, Barcelona (winners of this season’s La Liga), Arsenal (runners-up in this season’s Premier League), Machester United (third-placed team in this season’s Premier League) and Juventus all played in this competition this season. Thirdly, this is clearly a newsworthy event with decent media coverage worldwide and very high viewership figures. Fourthly, the article on the final is in good shape. Fifthly, in the absence of posting domestic leagues this year, this could be a perfect ad hoc substitute. Sixthly, the last time this was posted was in 2010, so it’s good to refresh memories from time to time. There are many practical reasons why this merits inclusion, and it’s completely irrelevant if the Champions League final is in ten days (the domestic leagues are usually decided in a time span of two weeks, but that doesn’t prevent us from considering them for posting as ITNR items).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:23, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Fundamentally, this is a 'runners up' competition for teams that weren't good enough to qualify for the Champions League, or were knocked out of it early. That's why it's a second-tier tournament - which even our article Europa League states in its lead. Modest Genius talk 17:27, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    #FC_Bayern_Munich_wins_Bundesliga is an active ITNR nomination that hasn't been posted because of quality. La Liga concludes on June 4 and was nominated in May but told to wait. Soccer is plenty represented on ITNR and it's not our fault that the quality of ITNR pages isn't good enough. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:35, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    La Liga was not posted because it lacked (and still lacks) a prose update summarising the season, but was given a second chance when the season ends even though it won’t be news any more (the Premier League received the same treatment and was eventually not posted). It’s clear that sport events are posted when the winner is known (Formula One is an excellent example how does this work in practice). In fact, football is well represented on ITNR, but unfortunately not on ITN, so it’s worth considering ad hoc substitutes.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:46, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    No, the solution would be to get the ITNR articles up to posting caliber. That was the point of getting those on ITNR in the first place. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - The Europa League does not consistently generate nearly the same global coverage as the Champions League, nor should it be elevated beyond other continental championships. We should try to check our bias at the door and not add yet another European competition to ITNR. SounderBruce 19:38, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose This isn't ITN/R, and I'd argue that these championships aren't as major and notable as championships like the FIFA World Cup. UEFA does host Euro championships every 4 years which deserve to be ITN, however the last one was in 2021 and the next one is in 2024. Also, per Gotitbro, soccer is too well represented in ITN already with Champions League, FIFA World Cup among some other championships being posted every now and then. TwistedAxe [contact] 20:23, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Vehement oppose The quest to be the 33rd-best football team in Europe. -- Kicking222 (talk) 21:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Closed) US debt ceiling[edit]

WP:SNOW closing, as consensus to post does not appear to be able to develop. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Articles: 2023 United States debt-ceiling crisis (talk · history · tag) and United States debt ceiling (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The US House of Representatives passes a bi-partisan bill to suspend its debt ceiling until 2025. (Post)
News source(s): BBC; Guardian; FT; NYT; DW
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The passing of the bill seems like a big milestone in this matter which is all over the news and quite consequential. No doubt there's many ways to blurb this so let's see if we can reach an agreement too... Andrew🐉(talk) 07:40, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • One of the main functions of ITN is to provide helpful links to articles about topics which are in the news. This is in the news now. If we wait until all the formalities are completed, then most readers will have moved on and we won't have helped them understand the matter. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:55, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Firstly, increases of the US debt ceiling have become quite frequent over the past decade, with the most recent one taking place in December 2021. Secondly, this is a bail-out bill to settle the crisis with no immediate consequences. The main uncertainty in this crisis was that the US Treasury would fail to service its debt, but now it won't happen because they've finally come to a resolution. In similar cases, the credit rating agencies typically respond by downgrading a country's credit rating due to the accumulated risks, which would be substantially more newsworthy as a direct consequence, but that's not very likely because of politics (there was a lot of fuss when S&P downgraded the US credit rating in August 2011). That being said, the two main outcomes from one such crisis, which would merit posting, are a bankrupt (not an option any more) and a downgraded credit rating (not very likely to happen). But let's wait and see.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:13, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - domestic politics with little impact. Now if the US actually defaulted that would be news worth posting. Idiosyncrasies of the US political system arent needed here. nableezy - 09:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose "Thing that happens every 1-2 years happened again" is not news. As Kiril Simeonovski and Nableezy correctly point out, if it hadn't happened, that would have been news. And if some lasting consequences happened, like a downgraded credit rating or (finally) an abolition of the debt ceiling, that would be news. But this is just business as usual, grandstanding by some politicians notwithstanding. Even the stock market was barely affected by it. Regards SoWhy 10:13, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Most of the current blurbs like the Booker Prize are events that happen every year. This item is more like once a decade as the previous article is dated 2013. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:51, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Andrew Davidson: If the Booker Prize was awarded to the same book every year, I would agree with you. Recurring items still have different outcomes. That we do not write an article every time there is a debt ceiling discussion does not mean it does not happen regularly. As pointed out by others, the debt ceiling was raised three times under Trump alone and twice under Biden before, in October and December 2021 ([4]), the last time thus being less than 1.5 years ago. Regards SoWhy 13:04, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Per Ecclesiastes, it's hard to be truly original. The particulars of this debt crisis have some similiarities and some differences with previous ones. It's just the same with books which have common features, influences and allusions too. So it goes. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:14, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. This happens frequently and is a standard feature of US politics. If there had been a default, that might have been significant enough to merit a blurb. But simply agreeing to keep things running isn't a major event. Modest Genius talk 10:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Even if it passes the Senate. The debt ceiling was raised 3 times under Trump, so this is not an unusual situation. If the US defaulted on it, that would be a different story. --Masem (t) 12:25, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose domestic politics, not that worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:46, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose — Wait for a default, which is unlikely to happen. [email protected] (he/him) 13:54, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not unless it defaults. This hasn't even passed the Senate yet. Kafoxe (talk) 16:01, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per above. This is mundane news unless a default happens. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:45, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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(Closed) Ben Roberts-Smith[edit]

Consensus to post will not develop. Stephen 00:02, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Proposed image
Article: Ben Roberts-Smith (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Australian soldier Ben Roberts-Smith loses defamation lawsuit after judge finds allegations of war crimes and murder to be substantially true. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In a defamation lawsuit, judge rules that allegations of Australian soldier Ben Roberts-Smith committing war crimes and murder are substantially true.
News source(s): ABC, The Guardian, Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Significant judicial indictment (even though civil, not criminal) of the actions of a decorated Australian soldier serving in the coalition forces in Afghanistan. A symbolic ruling on war crimes in Afghanistan. Covered widely internationally. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:17, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - international coverage is undisputed: Associated Press / Reuters / Agence France-Presse / BBC / Al Jazeera. But I am not sure if this should be posted now or after all appeals are exhausted. starship.paint (exalt) 07:46, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Adding on, BBC describes Roberts as Australia's most-decorated living soldier ... Australia's most famous living war veteran. [5] Top of his field. starship.paint (exalt) 12:25, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment We did post about the report that confirmed these warcrimes in Afghanistan. Do we really need do go ahead with a minor update of a defamation lawsuit as to that? I would wait for something more significant. Gotitbro (talk) 10:27, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: this is a confusing case. As far as I can tell from the article, he hasn't actually been convicted of war crimes. Instead, he's lost a claim against several newspapers, because their allegations against him were probably true. That's a lower standard of proof and won't lead to any punishment of Roberts-Smith (except legal costs and damage to his reputation), right? Even if he had been convicted by a war crimes tribunal or the ICC, it seems to be a pretty minor case compared to other war crimes in Afghanistan. Modest Genius talk 11:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I would support on notability/in-the news'ness as part of the interest is he's their most decorated living (ex-)solider, now found by a court of law that most of the claims of war crime are substantially true. -- KTC (talk) 15:16, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Already having posted the report that confirmed the crimes, with nobody being thrown in jail; just some money being taken away from one rich and famous man to a couple rich and famous media outlets. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:54, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose since this is a civil judgment instead of a criminal conviction. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:19, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose If he was actually convicted of war crimes, that would be a different matter. Black Kite (talk) 18:24, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Rich man loses libel case. That's about it, really. The impact and consequences are greatly muted. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 21:17, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Maybe if this were a criminal conviction it would be worthy of posting, although I'd doubt it. --RockstoneSend me a message! 23:31, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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May 31[edit]

May 31, 2023 (2023-05-31) (Wednesday)

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Music

Sports

RD: Kurt Widmer[edit]

Article: Kurt Widmer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Basler Zeitung
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Swiss baritone singer, especially remembered as voice teacher. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Withdrawn) Trial of Lina E.[edit]

WITHDRAWN
On second thought, it's a bit too early for ITN. Many protests are still planned. 〜 Festucalex • talk 16:15, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Article: Trial of Lina E. (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Dresden court finds Lina E., a left-wing activist, guilty of violent attacks against neo-Nazis. (Post)
News source(s): NYT – ABC News – ZDF – DW
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: A widely watched trial in Germany, which prompted violent protests and riots around the country. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. Violent criminals are jailed every day, including for murder, rape etc. While this case certainly affected the six people she attacked, I don't see any broader impacts that would justify a blurb. Modest Genius talk 11:24, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Modest Genius: As mentioned in the sources, there have already been riots in Berlin, Bremen, Dresden, Hamburg, Leipzig and other cities in response to this ruling. [6] This is no common case, it's more of a national spotlight one. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The article has just two sentences about the protests. If those are the main story, that should be reflected in the blurb and the article. But it looks like they're still pretty small. Modest Genius talk 12:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Modest Genius + notability. Violent criminals like this are arrested and jailed and convicted every day, and have been for forever. I can't see how this one instance is so notable that it deserves to be put on the Main Page as a blurb. If the protests were George Floyd-level (i.e. everywhere and everyone knows about it, and no I'm not comparing the people, just the protest sizes), I could see it. In this instance, however, this is the first time I'm hearing about it. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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RD: Sergio Calderón[edit]

Article: Sergio Calderón (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 04:40, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose Article is too stubby to be on ITNRD at this time. Expansion is needed, and a lot of it. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:16, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Stub. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:51, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The article is too short, and the content is a personal introduction. Not really news. Not newsworthy.Hhhh2 (talk) 07:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Latvian presidential election[edit]

Proposed image
Articles: 2023 Latvian presidential election (talk · history · tag) and Edgars Rinkēvičs (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Latvia, Edgars Rinkēvičs (pictured) is elected president. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters - ABC - DW - AP - Bloomberg
Credits:

Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: Presidential elections were held in Latvia. Edgars Rinkēvičs won, being noted for the first open homosexual who will take the position. I would like the clarify that although Latvia has a parliamentary system, the position of president is not entirely ceremonial, and from my understanding, is a position of power largely shared with the PM. (NOTE FOR POSTING ADMINS: Edgars2007 (talk · contribs) created the article on Edgars Rinkēvičs). - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 15:46, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Is this really ITN/R? While the president of Latvia isn't purely ceremonial, it's the position is not nearly as powerful as in countries with a presidential system. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 21:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    in my opinion, if it isn't voted by a popular vote, it is not notable. did we post the 2022 Indian presidential election? Rushtheeditor (talk) 21:47, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Technically the president of the United States ins't elected by popular vote either... DecafPotato (talk) 00:28, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's a bit different though, since people vote for electors who then vote for their candidate. On the other hand... people don't vote for the Prime Minister in Westminster systems by popular vote, but, quite obviously those are notable enough for ITN/R. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 01:41, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes, this is ITN/R. It doesn't matter if the country isn't "nearly as powerful" as other countries. All countries listed under the list of sovereign states are to be in ITN, given that the article quality meets the requirements for ITN. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:10, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    You must have misunderstood me, or perhaps I wasn't clear. I didn't say anything about the power of the country; that is absolutely irrelevant here. I said that the president isn't nearly as powerful in Latvia as the president in presidential systems are, and so this arguably does not qualify for ITN/R. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 01:39, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    My apologies, I did misunderstand you. In your case, it could be indeed argued that it might not qualify for ITN/R, but at the same time, if we try to put it in another perspective, would we post the elections of the Finnish president, despite him/her holding little power compared to the prime minister? TwistedAxe [contact] 10:13, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    No worries. Rereading my comment, I realize I wasn't clear. Face-smile.svg I'm pretty sure we wouldn't post the Finnish president. --RockstoneSend me a message! 20:40, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support Article needs some work, but should be ok for ITN. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Parliamentary system plus Turkey isn’t posted either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.248.15.100 (talk) 00:46, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Does not appear to be ITNR, as the prime minister appears to hold the executive powers in Latvia (per List of current heads of state and government) and this was not a general election. May still be considered significant for posting depending on its implications for broader international affairs in the context of the Russia-Ukraine war. Curbon7 (talk) 00:55, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    According to the article, President of Latvia,the president shares executive power with the cabinet and prime minister. According to the "duties and rights" section of said article, this includes having responsibility over fairy major affairs, such as war/military, representing the country internationally, initiating and suspending laws, and the like. However, it is true that they have a power check in the form of the PM. I'd say that while the PM holds more executive power, the situation in Latvia differs from the vast majority of prez-PM situations in that there isn't as enormous a power and responsibility difference between the two positions. While I'm not entirely certain, I can definitely understand the argument that the executive privileges of the president in Latvia make this at least a gray area that may require invoking WP:IAR. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 01:06, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per my comments above. While Latvia usually isn't a particularly major nation, the context of the Russia-Ukraine war gives it a bigger profile than typical. The election of a staunchly pro-western president (a la Petr Pavel) is the culmination of the past year-and-a-half of anti-Russian policy in Latvia and it will be interesting to see how the country's significant Russian minority reacts, which brings big implications for the region considering the current political crisis in Moldova. Curbon7 (talk) 18:32, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now There isn’t any prose in the “Results” section. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:50, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not a general election, no significant power in the President's title, and no prose in the Results section. Pass. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support as a recurring item and for its good quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:58, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Election of a president who DOES have power, even if not a terrible amount. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:58, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. The president of Latvia does not have significant power, and this is not ITNR. --RockstoneSend me a message! 01:59, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ama Ata Aidoo[edit]

Article: Ama Ata Aidoo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https:ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/Renowned-Ghanaian-writer-Prof-Ama-Ata-Aidoo-is-dead-1777163, https:citinewsroom.com/2023/05/renowned-ghanaian-author-ama-ata-aidoo-dies-at-81/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable & renowned Ghanaian author, poet, playwright and academic. Well written article Ampimd (talk) 09:52, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support this fantastically referenced article and RD entry. --Ouro (blah blah) 12:07, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per Ouro. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Ama Ata Aidoo § Selected works needs citations, or alternatively ISBNs or equivalent. There's an oddly-placed list of bullet items at the end of Ama Ata Aidoo § Honours and recognition, which is otherwise mostly prose. Unsourced too (but maybe already mentioned in sections above).—Bagumba (talk) 08:23, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Comment fixed bullet items at the end of the article, fused the ones that were already not stated in article into the article with citations. Citations have also been provided for Selected works and some with their ISBNs or ISSNs. Article has been updated per above comment. Ampimd (talk) 21:10, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      Struck. There's a couple of Cn tags outstanding though.—Bagumba (talk) 08:55, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      @Bagumba: I have fixed those remaining CN tags. Mind taking another look? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support All previously pointed out have been revised and considering her influence during her lifetime, it is judged that she deserves to be selected for ITN.Kloyan.L (talk) 07:26, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted—Bagumba (talk) 16:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

May 30[edit]

May 30, 2023 (2023-05-30) (Tuesday)

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Business and economy

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Royalty

  • Princess Eugenie of the United Kingdom gives birth to a baby boy named named Ernest George Ronnie, who was named after "his great-great-great grandfather George, his grandpa George and my grandpa Ronald". (BBC News)

Science and Technology

(Posted) RD: Jessie Maple[edit]

Article: Jessie Maple (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pioneering Black film maker; first African-American woman admitted to the New York camera operators union. Therapyisgood (talk) 00:38, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support Article is well sourced and long enough for ITNRD. Was gonna say no on the filmography section, but saw the source for the films. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:43, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support I think this is symbolic.The first African -American woman admitted to the New York camera operators union.Also in my opinion it's a representative thing. CAI XIAOHUA (talk) 08:01, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted—Bagumba (talk) 16:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: John Beasley[edit]

Article: John Beasley (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actor, 79. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:44, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose for now This seems stubby & needs more references, particularly the filmography. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 17:37, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support Honestly, the article could use more referencing and sources but the person isn't notable enough to have a very long article written about him. The article is ok and should be alright to post. TwistedAxe [contact] 19:53, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Don Bonker[edit]

Article: Don Bonker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former U.S. representative from Washington; big player in the trade policy of the '80s. Sourcing is practically non-existent. Curbon7 (talk) 04:29, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose There are no sources in the Early life, Political career, and Later career sections, making this article's quality subpar at best. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:44, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Added CN tags. Early Life section is completely unreferenced. TwistedAxe [contact] 19:50, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Harvey Pitt[edit]

Article: Harvey Pitt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 23:38, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Weak oppose for now, support after CN is fixed. Quickly reading through the article, the first sentence seems to be unreferenced. Once it's fixed, I'll be supporting. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:14, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • CN tag fixed. Thriley (talk) 01:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Lead needs more than one sentence.—Bagumba (talk) 08:52, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Time for a re-view, please? An anon contributor has put in a new lead section that is longer than some of the other RD candidates. --PFHLai (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Struck oppose.—Bagumba (talk) 15:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eusebius McKaiser[edit]

Article: Eusebius McKaiser (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https:timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2023-05-30-eusebius-mckaiser-dies-from-suspected-epileptic-seizure/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: South African journalist. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support—Remarkably well-referenced, comprehensive, and to-the-point. This, ladies and gentlemen, is a biographical article worthy of the main page. Kurtis (talk) 01:19, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support— Article seems in good shape. McKaiser was well-known enough in South Africa to merit mentioning on the main page. Goldfritter 11:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted—Bagumba (talk) 13:45, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bill McGovern (American football)[edit]

Article: Bill McGovern (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https:uclabruins.com/news/2023/5/30/football-ucla-mourns-loss-of-bill-mcgovern.aspx
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Football coach. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

·Support There are a lot of references and information, and it looks like a very well-developed article. And he is a contributor in his field (American soccer). Roci xu (talk) 07:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Drone strikes on Moscow[edit]

Consensus will not emerge for posting. NoahTalk 17:01, 31 May 2023 (UTC) (non-admin closure)Reply[reply]

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Article: 2023 Moscow drone strikes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of Ukrainian drone attacks hit Moscow (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Russia Claims to have intercepted 8 Ukrainian drones over Moscow.
News source(s): [9][10][11]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: May be a serious escalation per 194.102.58.600, Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:48, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This might turn out to be a serious escalation of the Russian invasion of Ukraine BBC AP CNN. 194.102.58.6 (talk) 14:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome to WP:ITN. In order for your nomination to be considered, please create a nomination using the {{ITN candidate}} template. You've already got the sources, we need more information such as a blurb and a target article. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Noting for the record that this comment was made prior to Editor 5426387 creating a proper nomination, when IP 194 previously attempted to nominate this item. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:55, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait to see just what the nature of this escalation will be. Unless Russia truly ramps up their military response, this may just be considered an incremental exchange in the war (if indeed this was a Ukrainian attack). --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:03, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose — See ongoing. [email protected] (he/him) 15:42, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait - per my statement on the Kremlin drone attack. Ukraine is denying it, but it appears as if Russia's claims are being acknowledged much more by international press this time, perhaps due to greater evidence. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 16:22, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment what interception? The drones hit their targets. --Ouro (blah blah) 17:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • oppose - covered by ongoing. nableezy - 18:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment If this is covered by the ongoing item, then "Russian invasion of Ukraine" is no longer a valid label (perhaps "Russo-Ukrainian War" would be more precise). Striking buildings in Moscow is definitely not part of the invasion of Ukraine.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:10, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I would support a target change to the entire war article. The invasion is merely a phase of said war. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:23, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose There isn't a target article comparable with 2023 Kremlin drone explosion. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I've created one (2023 Moscow drone strikes), but its still in an infantile state; it will need expansion before going on the main page. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 21:19, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's currently just two sentences and expansion seems difficult because of a lack of reliable sources. Note that Ukraine denies launching the attack and so we're mostly dependent on Russia's side of the story. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    There was no reason to create a separate article at this time on that. It is seemingly part of the war, and should be covered as part of the time line. Masem (t) 03:49, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If it turns out to be insignificant it could later be redirected to the main article on attacks or the war timeline, with any salvageable content merged. --Ouro (blah blah) 05:02, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Covered in ongoing. The article currently seems to undergo major changes, too. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:51, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. First, it's covered by an ongoing event, and second, as for the material impact it's minor. I agree that on the whole it's perhaps significant, as the place lies quite a distance from the invasion area but not ITN-worthy. --Ouro (blah blah) 01:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait until we receive some type of confirmation that these drones were, in fact, fired by Ukraine at Moscow. If that is the case, then I think this would be a significant enough development by itself to merit a standalone blurb, ongoing link notwithstanding. However, I'd like to register my extreme skepticism that Ukraine would order such an attack and risk losing the goodwill of the international community, which has been vitally important in their war effort. Kurtis (talk) 01:13, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment either we decide everything related to the war is covered by ongoing, or we post major developments in the war anyway. I personally prefer the latter, but whatever we choose, we should be consistent. Banedon (talk) 01:19, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, again. Yet another non-story. So a bunch of drones are shot down or suppressed in a country actively at war with a neighbor. I fail to see why this event is worth posting. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:22, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment We don't have confirmation that Ukraine is responsible for the drone attacks, so, at this stage, it's unrelated to the invasion already posted onto ongoing. If we evaluate this independently, drone attacks on buildings in the capital of the largest country in the world is a very big deal and notable news, which is proved by the front-page coverage in the media.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:08, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - We're a day out now and I don't see there being any evidence of an imminent escalation. If we get to two or three days out from the drone strikes and still nothing is done, that would hint at this being a false flag operation for propaganda purposes. But even casting my crystal ball of original research aside, it would indicate nonetheless that this would not be a suitable standalone blurb. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:29, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per above. Covered by ongoing barring any major escalation, which at this point seems unlikely. The Kip (talk) 13:36, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The first blurb is a no go since we still can't say as a matter of fact who did it, whether it was Ukraine, a Russian false flag, etc. Russian claims are that "none of the drones hit their target" and that there were only "two minor injuries" and no fatalities. Despite pledges from Russia to retaliate, it also seems that this (fortunately) has not led to major escalations. So as of right now, this doesn't stand out from the other incidents involving drones in the Russo-Ukrainian war.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 16:53, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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RD: Gershon Edelstein[edit]

Article: Gershon Edelstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https:haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-05-30/ty-article/leader-of-lithuanian-ultra-orthodox-community-rabbi-gershon-edelstein-dies-at-100/00000188-6b72-d2d1-afbe-7f7fd5290000]
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 Shibolet Nehrd (talk) 22:10, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is significant not only due to religious and social reasons (over 200,00 people attended his funeral), [2] but also because he was chairman of the Moetzes Gedolei Hatorah - hence wielding significant power in Israel's politics - which has been a topic of interest for the news page for a while.

  • Oppose Maybe his page needs more editing.
  • One of the most poorly referenced biographies that I've seen in a while. Stephen 00:49, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is it good now? Shibolet Nehrd (talk) 19:33, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No. Stephen 23:46, 31 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The biography needs heavy sourcing. I've added the required CN tags to the article where the paragraphs are unreferenced. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:20, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

May 29[edit]

May 29, 2023 (2023-05-29) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Victor Galeone[edit]

Article: Victor Galeone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https:archbalt.org/archbishop-william-loris-statement-on-the-death-of-bishop-galeone/
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Nominator's comments: Bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of St. Augustine. Article looks like it's nearly there. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:54, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support after fixing CN tag One unreferenced paragraph needs to be fixed before it's ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:23, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: William O'Neil[edit]

Article: William O'Neil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:

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 Thriley (talk) 19:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Michel Côté[edit]

Article: Michel Côté (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https:cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/michel-c%C3%B4t%C3%A9-dead-72-quebec-actor-1.6858108
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Canadian actor. Article is short but looks okay. Roncanada (talk) 13:47, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support. Two unreferenced sentences that need to be cited, other than that article looks okay. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:28, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose due to the two unsourced statements with CN tags. Support I have fixed the unsourced statements. @Twistedaxe:, @Schwede66:, and @PFHLai:, would you mind taking another look at this? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Note – I've added an additional citation needed tag. Schwede66 02:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • There are still 3 {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jacob Turkel[edit]

Article: Jacob Turkel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https:ynet.co.il/news/article/ryglh0xgi3
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Israeli Jurist. Article seems okay. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) 2023 Indian Premier League Final[edit]

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Article: 2023 Indian Premier League final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, the Indian Premier League concludes with the Chennai Super Kings defeating the Gujarat Titans in the final (player of the match Devon Conway pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In cricket, the Indian Premier League concludes with the Chennai Super Kings defeating the Gujarat Titans in the final (captain M. S. Dhoni pictured).
News source(s): ESPN Cricinfo
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Game just completed. Good game. Congrats CSK. Article looks good and ready for homepage. Ktin (talk) 20:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Oppose for now. Good game and congratulations to Chennai. The article for the final needs to be updated with all the statistics and needs to be additionally tidied up to make it ready for ITN. Once that is completed, I would support but right now the article is not ready. Crecy1346 (talk) 21:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Crecy1346 -- I think @MNWiki845: has taken care of most of the stats. I filled a couple of minor ones and the article does seem good. Ktin (talk) 21:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
👍 - We should post now. Crecy1346 (talk) 21:35, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support prose added, looks good. Congrats to the updaters! - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 00:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Withdrawn) Ugandan Homosexuality bill[edit]

WITHDRAWN
Misread some articles, not really in the news - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 16:32, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Article: Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2023 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Uganda, homosexual activities becomes punishable by life imprisonment under a new anti-gay bill. (Post)
News source(s): NYT - Le Monde - The Guardian - WaPo - Reuters - The Independent - La Times - Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Uganda just made gay sex illegal. Additionally "aggravated homosexuality" (those between gays who are HIV positive or involving a minor) is punishable by death. This bill has received sustained coverage internationally since it's been introduced, and only more so now that its in effect. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 16:04, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Per Guardian "Bill retains harshest measures of legislation adopted in March, including death penalty for certain same-sex acts". This is maintaining the status quo for the most part, outside of the expanded penalties. --Masem (t) 16:22, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose — Per Masem. As other editors have noted, additional sources will not help your case. [email protected] (he/him) 16:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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(Closed) New Indian parliament building[edit]

Consensus is clearly against posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Article: New Parliament House, New Delhi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In India, Prime Minister Narendra Modi inaugurates a new building (pictured) as the new house of the Parliament of India, replacing the previous structure due to structural issues and inadequate capacity for MPs. (Post)
News source(s): NYT - Euronews - AP - Al Jazeera - Time - The Guardian - Politico - BBC - CNN - SCMP - ABC - Reuters - JP Times - Times of India - The Hindustan Times - Econ Times - The Independent
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: India just opened a new parliament building to replace the old yet iconic 85 year old former building that struggled with capacity and structural issues. For anyone who would oppose, I would like to ask, would you do the same if the US moved Congress away from the Capitol, or if the UK moved their parliament from Westminster (which I've heard is a real proposal that is actually being made)? This is a hugely significant issue for India, the world's largest democracy demographically and soon (if not already) the world most populated country in general, and is already hugely controversial (most opposition parties protested the opening due to various issues [largely orienting around how Prime Minister Narandra Modi inaugurated the building instead of President Droupadi Murmu] as well as other groups such as wrestlers who were protesting sexual abuse) and will definitely be remembered in Indian history for years on end. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 04:05, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Really? A new building? No, on both notability and on quality (the 'Timeline' section feels quite rushed). Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:09, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose — Per Fakescientist8000. I would also oppose both of those scenarios. [email protected] (he/him) 04:44, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support on notability (although I'd remind that Westminster or the Capitol are several times as old, so a direct comparison isn't really possible), but Oppose on article quality for now. Chaotic Enby (talk) 05:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Come on Knight… _-_Alsor (talk) 06:56, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work The article needs copy-editing for grammar, tense and detail. For example, what is the building made of and what is its architectural style? The article doesn't say. And it doesn't seem stable – there's a proposal to change its title (again) – and there's political issues around the various protests. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:27, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Very Strong Oppose. Per Fakescientist8000. Its just a building and is not really important to be posted on ITN. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 08:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment. The issue of the UK Parliament bodies moving away from the Palace of Westminster shall be in all probability temporary for the purpose of restoration works to this magnificent building. It shall not be permanent, hence, comparison is missed. --Ouro (blah blah) 11:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. A mainly symbolic change, with no significant implications. Nsk92 (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose If a new airplane isn't considered newsworthy enough for ITN, then a new building certainly isn't. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:30, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
By the way, you do not need to post 20 news sources in the nomination header. They will not help your argument. Three is fine. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment If notability is to be further gleaned from the protests then they should be in the blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 14:13, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Very Strong Oppose per Fakescientist8000 and Andrew🐉. Cheers! 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 14:40, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • No. A million links to articles will not convince me that this should be on ITN. It's getting to the point that when I see an obviously-not-improtant-enough headline, I know who nominated it. (Also, you'd think after this many nominations, said user would learn how to write a usable blurb, but alas.) -- Kicking222 (talk) 14:52, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Sine the snark, I have to agree. This is unproductive and borders on intervention. [email protected] (he/him) 16:22, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose A change in national capital city à la Egypt and Indonesia, postable. Moving to a different building down the street, not postable. Curbon7 (talk) 14:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak oppose. It's making some news, and was a project of considerable expense, but what lasting significance does it really have? There's no effect on India's administrative organization whatsoever; it's just new chairs and offices. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose New buildings are not ITN-appropriate topics. --Masem (t) 16:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Even if it's something major like the tallest building in the world? Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:11, 29 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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References[edit]

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  1. ^ The Guardian: John Coltrane recordings lost in New York Public Library will finally be heard | John Coltrane | The Guardian, accessdate: June 1, 2023
  2. ^ https:jpost.com/breaking-news/article-744586
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