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June 2[edit]

Wrongly warning someone[edit]

I recently warned an innocent IP on vandalism for the article Bianca Ghelber. I apologized but is there anyway we can remove the warning I gave him? Blitzfan51 speak to the manager 00:41, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Blitzfan51. Pretty much any edit made on Wikipedia can be WP:UNDONE. If you made a talk page post on another user's page that you'd now like to take back, you can follow the guidance given in WP:REDACT. If the noone has responded to your post, you can simply self-revert the post; just leave an edit summary explaining why. If someone has already responded, you can WP:STRIKETHROUGH your original post if you want, and then add a new post explaining why. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:50, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Password forgot[edit]

My username is user:Mole Man and the email under that was deleted and I have changed my email around '13 but it is not that. 2600:1700:4000:62E0:6174:396B:193:2948 (talk) 01:17, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you have forgotten your password and can't access the mail account that was associated with the account, then you won't be able to use the old user ID. Simply create a new one, log in under that, make a note of the password, associate an email address with it, and preferably say on your new user page that you previously contributed as Mole Man. -- Hoary (talk) 01:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Does there exist a way to render Wikipedia with simplified, read-only layout?[edit]

I am developing an application which will involve rendering Wikipedia on a low-power device with an eInk screen. However the layout of Wikipedia (both desktop and mobile versions) is too cluttered for a good user experience. Does there already exist a simplified "skin" of Wikipedia which is less cluttered and complex to render? In particular, a "read-only" version with the edit links removed (as editing is out of the question on these devices). (talk) 07:08, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You could try but I'm not sure if this is officially linked to Wikipedia.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply] shows all skins which can be selected with useskin=, e.g. for Example (musician). Registered users can choose some of the skins for their account at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. See also mw:API:Get the contents of a page. Note the attribution requirement at Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:49, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Categories in wikiprojects[edit]

how are pages put in wikiprojects and their talk pages put in categories? how to include or remove certain pages from certain wikiprojects? how to remove falsely put pages in wikiprojects. RamaKrishnaHare (talk) 10:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@RamaKrishnaHare: See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Tagging pages with WikiProject banners. You can edit a talk page to see which banners it has. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:16, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My article never got published[edit]

The english version of the articke Zafem is still in my sandbox unpushlised while the french one is already pusblished and available on Fanisepetiote (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Fanisepetiote, there is both Draft:Zafem, which has not been submitted for review, and User:Fanisepetiote/sandbox, which has also not been submitted for review. Neither will be reviewed unless actually submitted. (talk) 16:01, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why am I blocked?[edit]

I wanted to add some photos to my husband's Wikipedia article but it shows I am blocked. His name is Sandy Petersen. I own the copyright of a photo I wanted to add. I can't add a copyrighted image? There is a lot of incorrect information about my husband and I want to edit the article. Please explain to me why I am blocked through 2026 and how I can reverse it. Wendypetersen (talk) 15:51, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't see how you could be blocked, at least not under this account name, given that you don't have any notices at your Talk page and have only made the edit here as your sole contribution thus far. Are there details you haven't provided?
That said, you should not edit your husband's article as you have a conflict of interest, but rather request that edits be made via the Talk page for his article. DonIago (talk) 15:58, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It sounds like Wendypetersen may have edited via an IP subject to a block. 331dot (talk) 16:00, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah; that would do it. DonIago (talk) 16:37, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I assume this is about Sandy Petersen. @Wendypetersen, the talk page is at Talk:Sandy Petersen, where you can make edit requests - see here for directions. (talk) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As for the photo: if you indeed own the copyright (which generally means that either you took it yourself, or there is a legal document assigning it to you) then you have the power to license it in the way that Wikipedia requires. Note that the licence allows anybody to reuse the picture for any purpose, commercial or not, as long as they attribute the source. If you choose to do that, you can use the upload wizard to upload it to Wikimedia Commons and license it on the fly. ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

British vs English vs...[edit]

Doing recent changes patrol I see a number of edits that alter the nationality of an article's subject from English to British or British to Scottish, etc. (Recent example). Is there a MOS preference on this topic? Searching just brought me to WP:ENGVAR, which is unrelated. I'm not going to suggest there's an epidemic or anything, but without direction, it's a point that can just flip flop without much value added. Matt Deres (talk) 17:00, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Matt Deres, MOS:NATIONALITY has a note at the end beginning There is no preference between describing a person as British rather than as English, Scottish, or Welsh. Decisions on which label to use should be determined through discussions and consensus. The label must not be changed arbitrarily. The example you gave has no edit summary, is wrongly marked as a minor edit and looks like an arbitrary change. TSventon (talk) 17:15, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great! Thank you kindly, TSventon. Matt Deres (talk) 21:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

charges on my credit card[edit]

Hello, Im being charged $1.75 per month on my CC. My names is Mark Jackson I live in Clearfield Ut. Can you stop these charges, I was asked to email you. My CC is AMEX American Express.

Thank You, Mark (talk) 19:18, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi there! Please see - good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 19:22, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just to claify, Mark, volunteer Wikipedia editors have nothing to do with processing donations of money. That is all handled by paid staffers at the Wikimedia Foundation. Cullen328 (talk) 22:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mainspace question[edit]

does writing an article count as an edit in mainspace? Blitzfan51 speak to the manager 20:20, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Blitzfan51 Yep. A mainspace edit is evidently a mainspace edit! Apmh 21:52, 2 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
what this basically means is that articles (or where they live) are the mainspace. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:23, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

June 3[edit]

Ref number 25 should have the publisher - Cambridge University - and the year. Please fix. 2405:6E00:2F96:2B00:4193:B737:8ACA:76CF (talk) 00:44, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I tried to add in 1734 the name Philip Meadows as the 1734 Mayor of Norwich - but failed.

Here is the reference for it

Please fix. Thanks 2405:6E00:2F96:2B00:4193:B737:8ACA:76CF (talk) 00:44, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I fixed the table, I think. The ref was already there so I didn't touch that. RudolfRed (talk) 01:24, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've added the NRO link as well since the Sense of People wasn't listing the specified pages. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 07:56, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi. I was wondering when to use the different forms of sources, "Reference, News, Website". What are the rules for when to use which one? For instance, some articles from the same newspaper might be breaking news but others interviews or something else that isn’t really news. I have especially been struggling with it when trying to source this article. Thanks, Marginataen (talk) 09:45, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Marginataen. It matters very little whether you decide that a given source is a "news" source or a "website" source. In some cases, the distinction is clear, and in other cases, it is a bit murky, but nobody really cares about that. What is vastly more important is whether the source is reliable or not. Focus on reliability and you won't go wrong. Cullen328 (talk) 10:00, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Marginataen. This is one kind of big difference between {{cite web}} and some of the other more commonly used citation templates and that is "cite web" actually requires you to provide a URL as part of the citation to avoid it being tagged with an error message. Most of the other citation templates can also be used to cite sources not found online, but "cite web" only works properly with sources available online. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:21, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Source no. 50 in Joe Biden's article named ""Biden's Road to Senate Took Tragic Tur" article is "News" and has a link. Source no. 53 in the same article is "Reference" and 61 is "Website". Why is that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marginataen (talkcontribs) 20:44, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The article has been put together by various editors who probably have differing views about referencing. The guidelines recommend a consistent format, but until an article gets to WP:Featured Article or WP:Good Article status it is often a complete mish-mash of reffing styles. The various {{cite}} templates are simply a convenient way to format information in a consistent way. I call this Wikipedia Referencing style, since it has been developed in-house. It's similar to Chicago or Harvard or AMA referencing, but not exactly the same. Hand-written references are equally valid, eg Bloggs, Joe (1 April 1947). "Breaking News!". The Dullsville Reporter and Property Gazette. Dullsville, Arizona: but it's easy to stray from the consistency of the cite templates. It actually doesn't matter which cite you use, the end result (the formatted output) is exactly the same whether you use {{citation}} (apart from commas vs. full stops), {{cite news}}, {{cite web}} or even {{cite book}} - the names of the particular parameters in the specific {cite} simply make it easier to identify the correct information and how it appears in the reflist when you press save. Please sign your contributions with ~~~~ MinorProphet (talk) 13:26, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@MinorProphet Thank you for your elaborate answer. Just to make sure I understand you correctly with an example: Would you for instance recommend that the article Mikkel Bjørn which exclusively consists of links to websites (mostly news cites) gets all its references changed to the same template? If yes, which one?
Marginataen (talk) 18:29, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If the source is a news provider, use {{cite news}}. An article does not have to (probably should not) use the same template for every source being referenced. There are a lot of citation templates; see the list at right side of {{cite news}}. Use the template that best fits the source.
Trappist the monk (talk) 19:07, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Alright, so an interview to a newsmedia which is not news in itself should use {{cite news}}? Marginataen (talk) 20:55, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Perhaps. If you provide a real-life example of what you are asking, you will likely get a better answer.
Trappist the monk (talk) 21:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Further: I remember reading somewhere that using interviews as sources is discouraged. I can't put my finger on where I read that, but I think that the gist of the reasoning is that does not care what article subjects say or want to say about themselves which they would do in an interview.
Trappist the monk (talk) 21:55, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(edit conflict) If you are thinking about an imaginary article like "Is disaster coming? The Guardian talks to a well-known climate scientist" which might appear on the Graun's website (not even necessarily in print), that would qualify for a {cite news} template, since it appeared in a standard newspaper, although not 'breaking news'. Trappist's answer above obviously qualifies my idea. I use {{cite news}} for reliable physical print newspapers - the |newspaper= gives the hint, although they tend to have an online version these days. Equally, main news organizations like the BBC and Politico Europe with |website= are fine. Although eg The Register has lots of articles about enterprise computing, I wouldn't say it qualifies as general news, and {{cite web}} would be fine.
PS To refer to any template without invoking it with no parameters as you did, you can use the basic {{tl|cite news}}, or {{tlx|cite web}} to include specific parameters. MinorProphet (talk) 22:33, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Charles de Choiseul-Praslin[edit]

Your biography of Charles de Choiseul-Praslin’s misses 2 references in the ‘Legacy’ section. Although they belong in the category of, one a novel, the other a personal theory; they are published works that need reference. They are the works of Eddy Kühl and Gioconda Belli. They are based on actual accounts of the life of “Georges Choiseul-Praslin” that occurred in Nicaragua. He was a French immigrant that came to Nicaragua ~1852, four years after the tragic murder of the Duchess ‘Fanny’ Francoise de Choiseul-Praslin, formerly Francoise Altarice Rosalba Sébastiani. “Doctor George” as he was commonly referred to, became a coffee plantation owner and practiced as a learned lay medical man in Matagalpa, Nicaragua. Although, suspected, he never revealed his supposed Royal identity, for obvious reasons, for being a fugitive suspect of the French Secret Service. Therefore, those literary works were properly published, one as a novel, the other as the opinion or ‘theory’ of a well published author, nevertheless, historic in nature. New evidence may reveal that the identity of these two individuals was or was not the same. Now a days, we have the technology, by means of genetic DNA sampling, to prove it. However, this proof would entail obtaining access to blood samples on proprietary archival documents, to those of current direct Choiseul-Praslin French descendants, and to those of Gerorge’s Nicaraguan descendants. This type of work is possible, some of which has anecdotally been done. Additionally, blood samples on the archived robes of assassin and victim may reveal the presence of blood of a 3rd individual, but with this further evidence could be labeled as an unidentified suspect in the murder. Although cumbersome and expensive, this may prove embarrassing and unwelcome evidence. Nevertheless, it may reveal direct or indirect evidence of a critical event that contributed to or triggered an important historic one: the French Revolution of 1847. (talk) 11:09, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry, but Wikipedia is totally the wrong place for posting original research, especially the kind of speculative content you are talking about here. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Broken Reference list using wikidata at F-Droid[edit]

I'd like the broken wikidata citations at F-Droid, #1 and #3-5 to be fixed. The Reference list became broken when wikidata was first used: Special:Diff/1032601596/1039350478 in December 2021. I glanced at the linked RTFM, Module:Wd/doc#References, and the page wikidata, but did not see the fix. Help? Thanks. -- Yae4 (talk) 12:58, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Before I explain what I think is the issue: I have never worked with this template so could very well be totally wrong. From reading the documentation linked in the reference:If a title (P1476) or a reference URL (P854) property is missing or the reference has unknown properties [emphasis mine], the module attempts to display it using the {{Cite Q}} template. The 'title of broader work' reference property is on the page for that entry, but not in the recognized property list. The Cite Q also does not recognize 'title of broader work', so that could be the issue:A reference could be displayed using Cite Q only if the reference has a stated in (P248) property and has only properties listed in the table above. If neither Cite web nor Cite Q could be used to display a reference, the following error is returned: Error: Unable to display the reference properly. See the documentation for details. I have no idea what the fix is here; removing the property would probably work but I have no idea if that is actually a solution or just breaking something else to fix this. Tollens (talk) 04:13, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually, I don't think the 'title of broader work' entries make sense the way they are being used right now. They could maybe be removed, I'll try with one and see. Tollens (talk) 04:15, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, removed the incorrect extra property from ref 1, and it fixed it. I'll give the other three a look. Tollens (talk) 04:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
All of them should be fixed now! Tollens (talk) 04:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for your help! A lot of software-related articles with similar infoboxes could benefit from automatic "stable release version" updates. Too bad it's not easy to do correctly. -- Yae4 (talk) 05:05, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Refs 1 and 6 are the same. Refs 4 and 5 are also the same. - Please fix - the doubling up is not good. Thank you. (talk) 14:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi IP Please take a look at WP:REFNAME because it explains how to handle such situations. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:22, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

writing about yourself[edit]

I know you're not supposed to, but if you were to become notable what would stop you policywiseBlitzfan51 speak to the manager 16:38, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Blitzfan51: Nothing, though you would have to declare a conflict of interest on yourself or risk being blocked. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:46, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Blitzfan51, according to WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged but not forbidden. Hypothetically, if an experienced Wikipedia editor got elected to a state or provincial legislature, they would meet the notability guideline for politicians and could immediately write an autobiography. On the other hand, there would be plenty of other editors willing to write the article. The fact is that the vast majority of people who try to write an autobiography end up failing. Cullen328 (talk) 16:49, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
...and those that succeed sometimes come to regret it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:44, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


In the article Economy of India, since this edit, I'm seeing a message in preview - Script warning: One or more {{cite journal}} templates have maintenance messages; messages may be hidden (help). Could you help me please? Dinesh | Talk 17:57, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is letting you know that citation 310 has the following errors:{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of March 2023. See Category:CS1 maint: DOI inactive as of March 2023 for details. Heart (talk) 18:06, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Main Page Picture[edit]

How do I replace the current main page picture? Slatme4 (talk) 20:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You go to Featured Pictures and participate in the processes that determine what pictures are featured. 331dot (talk) 20:39, 3 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

June 4[edit]

Guideline reference[edit]

Is there a policy/guideline/essay that refers to the practice of editors 'digging in their heels' after being accused of something? Thanks in advance. Cessaune [talk] 03:17, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You might be looking for WP:ICANTHEARYOU? I just read through your draft essay so far and it seems like it might fit there, but not certain that's what you're looking for. Tollens (talk) 03:53, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why do you love Wikipedia?[edit]

You love Wikipedia because of the information you get from it. As a Wikipedia user you sometimes wonder the reason for loving Wikipedia so much ❤️."Well I felt that to until I realised that Wikipedia is giving us more and more knowledge then we had before.Be a Wikipedia user, you will really enjoy working with it.",I said when I was wondering 💛. (talk) 06:26, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Help Desk is not for general discussion, sorry. 331dot (talk) 06:42, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure why to be honest. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 08:31, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Refs 7 and 10 are the same - can they be joined up please? thanks Srbernadette (talk) 07:47, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Srbernadette. Please check out the instructions at WP:NAMEDREFS. Cullen328 (talk) 07:54, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done - I've done it for you. Please study as Cullen328 says and you'll be able to do it yourself next time. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Italics or not?[edit]

Should all these words be written in italics? idam, antahkarana, buddhi, ecc. JackkBrown (talk) 11:36, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

JackkBrown, please read and digest Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting#Italic_type. Is the decision now an easy one? If not, please ask at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Text formatting. -- Hoary (talk) 11:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


A friend of mine has been permanently blocked because he is accused of being me, who received a definitive ban. I appealed on behalf of my friend to the moderator in question to explain the misunderstanding and I was completely ignored because they still think my friend is me, despite having IPs from different regions. Therefore I turn to you of international wikipedia to do justice for a victim of the Italian wikipedia. Thanks for the attention (Friend's account is Shira Otosaka) (talk) 11:43, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is not the place for this. If it is on the English Wiki, please explain this in another unblock request. If it is on the Italian Wiki, this is not the place to do so and should remain on the home wiki. Thanks, Heart (talk) 11:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As I said in the message they ignore what I explain. Who else should I contact if the home wiki doesn't do its job, of course I'll go to the more important one to appeal (talk) 11:50, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As Hoary points out below, there's nomore important one to appeal to; in other words, you're going to have to convince the Italian Wikipedia community that a mistake was made. Perhaps you'll find the information you need in it:Wikipedia:Politiche di blocco degli utenti, but each language Wikipedia has its own policies and guideines, and its own administrators applying those policies and guidelines. So, there's really nothing anyone at English Wikipedia can do to help you or your friend. If you're unable to find the information you need yourself on Italian Wikipedia, you can try asking for assistance at it:Aiuto:Sportello informazioni. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I understand right, you are Shin Kurogane. You are blocked at Italian Wikipedia but not at English Wikipedia. There is no "international Wikipedia". English Wikipedia has no authority over Italian Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 11:56, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Creating articles[edit]

Creating articles Kaffkas (talk) 12:15, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Could you be more specific? You can always use WP:Article wizard to also help you create an article. Heart (talk) 12:22, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:BACKWARD may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:44, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Help:Your first article may be useful if you are planning to create your first Wikipedia Article RossDG8-Talk 20:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Question about image[edit]

Can I upload an image of the heros peninsula of antartica? I highlighted it red based on Memer15151 (talk) 12:24, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

oops, [this image is the link]. Memer15151 (talk) 12:25, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OMG! sorry, [this image is the link]. Memer15151 (talk) 12:26, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes you can. The image is dual-licensed under GNU and CC 3.0, so make sure you attribute it properly. Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 14:47, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
By the way, you can wikilink a file without displaying it by beginning the wikilink with a colon, so [[:File:Antarctica blank.svg]] displays as File:Antarctica blank.svg. (you could also put the "commons" in thus [[:Commons:File:Antarctica blank.svg]], but unless there's a file of the same name in Wikipedia, this is not necessary.) ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Difference between "sources" and "references". Page: History of East Pakistan[edit]

What's the difference between "sources" and "references"? Page: History of East Pakistan. JackkBrown (talk) 13:52, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@jackkbrown: in this article, references are inline citations in the article, meant to support specific claims, and "sources" are general knowledge references for the article. general knowledge references are often named under different headers, such as "general references". lettherebedarklight晚安 15:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
People tend to use some words interchangeably: "A citation, also called a reference, uniquely identifies a source of information". I tend to think of "cite" as the in-text thing, "ref" as the ref-section thing, and "source" as the off WP-thing these point at. This won't stop me from telling someone who messed up a cite that they "sourced it wrong". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Based on Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Notes and references,
  • "sources" contains Citation footnotes, that connect specific material in the article with specific sources and are a mixture of short citations and full citations
  • "references" contains Full citations to sources, where short citations have been used in the "sources" section. TSventon (talk) 16:20, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Logged in when editing, but my newest published edits now show up as anonymous[edit]

Why are my newest edits showing up as being anonymous despite me being logged in when I did the edits? Is this a glitch? It has not happened previously. MusicNinja1 (talk) 17:11, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@MusicNinja1: See Wikipedia:Requests for oversight if you want the IP address to be hidden. Many users sometimes lose their login during a session. See Help:Logging in#Login issues and problems. Some users change the color of the save button when they are logged in to reduce the risk of accidentally saving while logged out. You can for example place the below in your CSS. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:53, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
#wpSave {background-color:green}


Hello, how to change the title of the article Bauffremont into House of Bauffremont ? [[User:Arx76|Arx76]] (talk) 20:01, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You're asking for a "move over a redirect". That's above my paygrade, but I'm sure a better-qualified editor will do it for you. (In my opinion, the move is warranted.) Maproom (talk) 20:20, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Arx76, I can "move" (retitle) the article, but am reluctant to do so. It starts: "The House of Bauffremont is the name of a French princely family..." It continues:
  • "the Bauffremonts established themselves in Burgundy and Franche-Comté..."
  • "In 1448 Pierre de Bauffremont..."
  • "Nicolas de Bauffremont, his son Claude, and his grandson Henri..."
and not:
  • "the House of Bauffremont established itself in Burgundy and Franche-Comté..."
  • "In 1448 Pierre d'House of Bauffremont..."
  • "Nicolas d'House of Bauffremont, his son Claude, and his grandson Henri..."
The last two paragraphs are unreferenced; the penultimate paragraph seems to describe a mere fiction promoted by certain descendants. Perhaps sort out the article first; then decide which title best fits it. -- Hoary (talk) 22:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe "Bauffremont family"? (I get the impression that "House of [Bloggs]" is a calque on "Maison [Bloggs]", where [Bloggs] is a seller of cufflinks, perfumes, or something else with large profit margins.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:38, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Feel free to start a request at requested moves – the guidelines for doing so will be there. As Hoary has raised problems with the move, it's not uncontroversial, and should go through the requested moves process. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would support the move – see House of Rohan, House of Orange-Nassau, and I expect many others. Maproom (talk) 08:34, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tree model[edit]

Hello, is there an equivalent of the tree model of Wikipedia in French, on Wikipedia in English? To see this model, consult the "Filiation" section of the "Famille de Tournebu" article on Wikipedia in French. For the moment, the only thing you can do on English Wikipedia is this (see below), which doesn't look so good.

  • Grandfather
    • Father
      • Son
        • Grandson

Arx76 (talk) 20:14, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are you looking for something like what you see at Louis_XI#Ancestry when you click "show"? Maproom (talk) 20:24, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Arx76: See {{Tree list}} and Help:Family trees for other options. fr:Famille de Tournebu#Filiation uses fr:Modèle:Arbre which looks similar to {{Tree list}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:34, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. It is exactly what I was looking for. Arx76 (talk) 20:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Another question: is it possible for the title of an article to begin with a lower case letter? Arx76 (talk) 21:00, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, it can't for technical reasons (WP:Page name#Technical restrictions and limitations) but you can cause it to be displayed that way: see Template:DISPLAYTITLE. ColinFine (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

June 5[edit]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Georgia-Pacific Corp. v. United States Plywood Corp.

I started a draft article about a high-profile US case law :, which is still a good law, i.e. the controlling precedent. However, this article was not approved for posting. I am not sure, what can be done to improve it, and I would like to invite other editors, with expertise in the US Patent Law and in wiki rules to work on improving this draft. Walter Tau (talk) 01:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Walter Tau, you've been asked to provide more evidence for the "notability" of the subject of Draft:Georgia-Pacific Corp. v. United States Plywood Corp.. Rather than asking here for help/advice, it would be better to ask at WT:WikiProject Law. -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you very much for your reply. The notability is stated in the beginning:
According to Scholar on 2023-04-13, this decisions has been cited 2212 times, making it the highest cited decision of US Federal courts in 1971.
There must be some other issues. I may not be experienced enough to understand them, and I ask for clarification. At any rate, contributions from other editors would be very welcome. Is there a process to invite other people to work on the draft? Walter Tau (talk) 01:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Stats don't matter. It's why some YouTubers with tens of millions of subscribers get AfD'd, often with deletion. Such as SSSniperWolf. Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 01:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Walter Tau: Tacking on to Hoary's response, understand that the term notability (which I'll call wikinotability) has a distinct meaning on Wikipedia compared with elsewhere. You should find reliable sources that discuss the law in-depth. Primary sources can be helpful but they don't establish the wikinotability required. They can sometimes impede the review process when the reviewer is trying to evaluate the sources cited. If you can find three that'd really help whoever's reviewing the draft. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:15, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
thank you for clarifying this. I misunderstood the "notability criterion". I added 3 references from law journals, that discuss this case. What would be the next step? I feel strongly, that this topic is important, and I would like to bring attention of more experiences users to make this article better. Walter Tau (talk) 01:45, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Must I repeat myself? Rather than asking here for help/advice, it would be better to ask at WT:WikiProject Law. -- Hoary (talk) 01:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have no view on whether the subject is notable. But I have a comment on the draft. It doesn't start at the beginning. What had the defendant done that induced the plaintiff to sue it? Without knowing that, the rest is of no interest, at least to a non-lawyer. Maproom (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How can I see what pages I've created under a previous username?[edit]

So I was under a previous username (Haseo9999) when I created a few pages pertaining to OS X and macOS. I have since switched to my current username.

I was looking for page creation logs and I know for a fact I created MacOS Mojave, MacOS High Sierra, and OS X Mavericks by going back in the edit history and the numerous notifications I've received from them throughout the years. The initial edit on each page only shows my current username rather than my previous one.

The page curation log only says I created MacOS Catalina. That is false.

Is this lack of data because I changed my username? Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Urbanracer34. The edit history of MacOS Mojave shows that it was created on June 4, 2018 by your current account, Urbanracer34, with an edit summary of "rough, but it's a start". Cullen328 (talk) 02:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello. Thanks for responding. I know about the Mojave page is listed as created by me, but in the creation log on wikipedia it is the only one listed period. I also created MacOS Mojave, MacOS High Sierra, and OS X Mavericks under my previous username and they don't appear in the creation log. Those are the ones I'm concerned with. Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:23, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I apologize as I was wrong... MacOS Catalina is the only one in the creation log, not the others.
I also created MacOS Mojave, MacOS High Sierra, and OS X Mavericks under my previous username and they don't appear in the creation log. Those are the ones I'm concerned with. Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Urbanracer34, the first edit to MacOS High Sierra was on June 5, 2017 from your current account with a similar edit summary. If you renamed your account instead of abandoning it and registering a new account, then all of your old edits will be attributed to the current account name. Cullen328 (talk) 02:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cullen328 Yes, my account is renamed. I just went through the Page creation log and it only shows I created MacOS Catalina. It should list the others as well. That is why I am here: Where did they go? Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:39, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Urbanracer34 I believe the page creation log (Special:Log/create) is a relatively new log type, being introduced some time after I registered in 2017. Page creations before the introduction of the page creation log are not logged. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Victor Schmidt mobil I guess that explains it. Thanks for the insight. Urbanracer34 (talk) 14:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Urbanracer34: I don't know how the page creation logs works, but according to xtools, you have created 5 pages I found this by going to your contributions page and clicking the link at the bottom. RudolfRed (talk) 02:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@RudolfRed AHA! I didn't even know about this! This is exactly what I am looking for! Thank you very much!
I don't know why there is a disconnect between the page creation logs and xtools but there is clearly one. Hopefully they can fix it long term. Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:57, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Urbanracer34: The page creation log was created in mw:MediaWiki 1.32/wmf.7. The English Wikipedia got it 7 June 2018. You created MacOS Mojave 4 June 2018 so it missed the new log by three days. xtools has listed page creations since long before 2018. I'm not sure how they are found but it may require examining all your edits. I don't expect the page creation log will retroactively add old log entries from before the log was created so the "disconnect" is probably permanent. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:59, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PrimeHunter Good to know. Thanks for the insight. Urbanracer34 (talk) 16:21, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Starlight Tours article[edit]

Bring back the 'Starlight Tours' Wikipedia page. People need to know what the RCMP are doing in Canada. Thank you. (talk) 04:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Starlight tour redirects to Saskatoon_freezing_deaths which doesn't mention the RCMP but does describe some actions by Saskatoon_Police_Service. RudolfRed (talk) 04:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
and how to get it back on Wikipedia (talk) 04:47, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And Starlight tours redirects to it also. Meters (talk) 04:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I checked, and "Starlight Tour""Starlight Tours" (as the IP capitalized it) weren't existing redirects. I've fixed that, so now those (plus Starlight tour and Starlight tours as mentioned above) redirect to Saskatoon freezing deaths. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 05:26, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, I was wondering what the IP was talking about, and apparently it's related to people from SPS attempting to erase the part about starlight tours... from 2012 to 2016. It's been put back in the article since then. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 05:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
on august 2016, the article starlight tours was proposed for a merge into saskatoon freezing deaths. after no objections were raised for 6 months, the merge occured.
if you wish to start an article on this topic again, you will need to demonstrate that the topic is notable by wikipedia's standards, by finding at least three reliable sources that cover the subject significantly, and basing the article off those. lettherebedarklight晚安 05:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Lettherebedarklight, the thing is, there's already an article on the subject... the thing is, Saskatoon freezing deaths is pretty much the same thing as "starlight tours", so I see no need to unmerge. restored original statement LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 05:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
starlight tours was merged into saskatoon freezing deaths. (edit conflict × 2) liliana edited her message after i replied. anyway, i was giving general advice for creating an article. lettherebedarklight晚安 05:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC) (edited 05:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC))Reply[reply]
Ah, makes sense why there would be this concern then. As I said in my updated message, though, the Saskatoon freezing deaths article seems to cover the starlight tour practice well enough. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 05:46, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image placement help[edit]

Greetings, does someone more adept with image placement know how to fix this problem at TRAPPIST-1? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:46, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: A simple solution would be to move the wide image to immediately under the "List of planets" section heading, giving a diagram followed by a table and orbit image.
You might consider replacing the wide scrollable image with {{scalable image}} (same parameters). It is less discernible but can be clicked to enlarge as normal.
The large "Orbit Comparison" image might be moved to the image-less "Planetary system" section, where a comparison with Solar System orbits is first mentioned. There is enough text in that section to accommodate such a large image, and would get round the "so much to show and not enough room to show it" dilemma. Bazza (talk) 09:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category Creation Problems[edit]

I added a category which I thought already existed. So I decided to create it in a way I'm not used to. However when trying to add a parent category, I did something wrong, and now I can't work out how to move it.

This is the category I created Category:Crime in North Yorkshire

This is the category I want to make a parent category, not a page Category:Crime in Yorkshire Danstarr69 (talk) 11:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Danstarr69: I fixed it by removing the initial colon. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Creating a new category[edit]


I am in the process of updating The Twentieth Century Society article and would like to create a category for all the buildings that have featured on their Risk List - there are 30 articles that would fit the category so far, with 10 more buildings added every two years.

I am thinking the name would be C20s Risk List but I am not sure what parent category to use. The closest equivalent I can find is Category:Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland but that seems to link to the article Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland.

Could I do the same? Have Category:C20s Risk List refer to The Twentieth Century Society?

I've not done this aspect of editing before, so would appreciate any pointers. Thank you in advance!

BJCHK (talk) 12:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

BJCHK, any new category should correspond to a defining characteristic of the articles in it, see WP:CATDEF. The category could be called Category:Structures on the The Twentieth Century Society Risk List or Category:The Twentieth Century Society Risk List. Category:Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland and Category:Structures on the Heritage at Risk register are similar, presumably Category:Buildings on the Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland was rejected as repetitive. There is also a disambiguation page, Buildings at Risk Register. The category name should match the main article name, rather than using an abbreviation. One parent category would be Category:Heritage registers in the United Kingdom. The text of the category page could refer to The Twentieth Century Society. TSventon (talk) 12:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can anyone help me improve this page? It doesn't look good at all. JackkBrown (talk) 13:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JackkBrown: Hi there! I added WikiProjects to the article talk page. I suggest reaching out to the editors in those WikiProjects for assistance. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:34, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

how to post article on wikpedia[edit]

how to post article Prince Smarty (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Prince Smarty: See WP:YFA. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Prince Smarty. I observe that every single edit you have made appears to be an attempt to promote yourself or your website. Please note that, unlike most places on the Internet, Wikipedia is not for promotion, and attempts to use it in this way are usually unsuccessful, and can be frustrating and disappointing for the editor trying to do it.
If you or your website meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - which basically means that several people wholly unconnected with you have chosen to write at length about you/your website, and been published in reliable sources - then there could be an article about you or your website.
Such an article would not belong to you, or be controlled by you. You are permitted to try and create it yourself, but you are likely to find it very hard, because you will have to forget most of what you know about the subject and write only from what those sources say (even if you very much dislike what those sources say).
Tenryuu has pointed you at your first article, and that is a good place to start. But I suggest you also read WP:NOTPROMO (already linked above) WP:PROUD, and WP:BACKWARD. ColinFine (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Need help italicizing title of new article[edit]

I just created an article Slavery and Slaving in World History: A Bibliography and need help italicizing its title which is the title of a published book. The article hasn't been reviewed yet, but it should pass the "muster" as a stub. I'd appreciate advice or help from a more experienced editor on adding italics to the title. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 19:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done DonIago (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Perfect. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 19:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm considering whether the Italian language page dedicated to Paola Cortellesi is valid in terms of sources and information; is there any gossip information? I have not found any. JackkBrown (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]